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But then there is hair where the rope meets the wood, which wouldn't make sense if you had the time to stage things.
Agreed. The hair being wrapped around the garrote fits in with the the killer tightened the garrote (the paintbrush handle), using it as a kind of tourniquet for gradual tightening. It's horrifying to think about.
I'm not sure if the investigators determined that the garrote rope was part of what is alleged to be staged by those who hold that theory
The "investigators" from the TV shows want you to believe the RDI theory, so they are saying that this was staged. Picking evidence to fit their theory, instead of coming up with theory as a result of the evidence.
The problem I have with reactions like yours in judging so many things that the Ramseys did or said, or didn't do or didn't say, is that if whatever a normal person would do is so goddamn obvious and unambiguous, why the hell wouldn't they have thought, "Hey! We should do that! Anything else will look suspicious."
True. It's very easy for us to judge this crime after it has already happened.
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Don't say it's because they are sociopaths...
Agree that there's no evidence that PR or JR had any tendencies toward anti-social personality disorder. And BR was too young back then to be diagnosed with any mental illness, although one would imagine that he had plenty of anxiety after his sister's murder.
The Boulder PD and the media searched exhaustively for anything they could find that would indicate that either Ramsey had ANY history of problems: mental, emotional, physical, or occupational. They interviewed hundreds of people, hoping to find anything they could that might have been a red flag.
True. It's very easy for us to judge this crime after it has already happened.
Agree that there's no evidence that PR or JR had any tendencies toward anti-social personality disorder. And BR was too young back then to be diagnosed with any mental illness, although one would imagine that he had plenty of anxiety after his sister's murder.
The Boulder PD and the media searched exhaustively for anything they could find that would indicate that either Ramsey had ANY history of problems: mental, emotional, physical, or occupational. They interviewed hundreds of people, hoping to find anything they could that might have been a red flag.
Children are routinely diagnosed with and treated for mental illnesses, and this was as true in 1996 as it is now.
Children are routinely diagnosed with and treated for mental illnesses, and this was as true in 1996 as it is now.
Not personality disorders, until they are 18 years old. And sociopathy is a lay term, not included in the DSM-V (or in the 1996 DSM-IV). He could have well have had an anxiety disorder as a child.
Agreed. The hair being wrapped around the garrote fits in with the the killer tightened the garrote (the paintbrush handle), using it as a kind of tourniquet for gradual tightening. It's horrifying to think about.
Are there wooden handles at each end of the garrotte? I can not tell from the photos.
If not, then I don't believe it's a typical garrotte weapon (e.g. as used in medieval weaponry, martial arts, military executions, etc.).
However, the contraption could still be used to aid someone in dragging a body.
Surely in the last 20 yrs a stun gun match to her wounds ( or whatever they were ) would've been discovered. Could it be something post mortem?
FBI investigators see cuckoos looking for notoriety in connection to high profile crimes all the time. Theres enough pedophiles and sex offenders behind bars in the US to profile. John Karr had to many delusions to be helpful.
Also, if you're trying to sexually stimulate the victim, you don't first knock the victim out cold with a traumatic head wound.
If it had occurred before the blow to the head, there would also be a lot of coughing and throwing up on the floor by the girl. They should've found a lot more evidence in the basement room and on her person.
Even if one argues that the garrotte was used to enhance the pleasure for the perpetrator, there is no evidence that a door or other structure was used to stage an autoerotic asphyxiation. There should've been a lot of hair and other fibers found on the garrotte to implicate an intruder.
Both the ransom note and the garrotte are parts of the staging. Their lack of credibility are mutually reinforcing.
Not personality disorders, until they are 18 years old. And sociopathy is a lay term, not included in the DSM-V (or in the 1996 DSM-IV). He could have well have had an anxiety disorder as a child.
Well, it is, actually (or at least used to be) under "antisocial personality disorder." Sociopath or psychopath are lay terms.
Also, if you're trying to sexually stimulate the victim, you don't first knock the victim out cold with a traumatic head wound.
He didn't knock her out first; he did it after the strangling. I don't happen to believe that he intended to kill her, either....he got carried away with his erotic fantasy, unfortunately. Once he saw that she was unconscious for longer than he assumed that she should be, he thought she might be dead....but to make sure, he hit her as hard as he could on her head.
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If it had occurred before the blow to the head, there would also be a lot of coughing and throwing up on the floor by the girl.
If she's being strangled, blacks out, regains consciousness, blacks out again?
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Even if one argues that the garrotte was used to enhance the pleasure for the perpetrator, there is no evidence that a door or other structure was used to stage an autoerotic asphyxiation.
I don't understand the door part.
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There should've been a lot of hair and other fibers found on the garrotte to implicate an intruder.
Check the pictures posted. There is hair coiled around the handle, indicating thaat it was turned and thus used for gradual tightening.
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Both the ransom note and the garrotte are parts of the staging. Their lack of credibility are mutually reinforcing.
So can you explain the autopsy report about the damage to her neck? How could that have happened if she were already dead from the head blow and the strangling was staged?
And per the autopsy report, there were abrasions present on the front and sides of JBR's neck. According to James Kolar, Dr. Spitz determined these abrasions to be "nail gouges" sustained prior to the head blow in an effort to release constriction, possibly caused by a tightened shirt collar. Kolar made so many errors in his book that it's hard to know what was a fact and what wasn't, but I do think that the nail gouges were from her trying to release constriction caused by the killer tightening the cord around her neck.
Yup, CA4Now; all of this was covered in the A&E show, which I consider now to be the gold standard. Except the door comment (I don't get that either)...
Are there wooden handles at each end of the garrotte? I can not tell from the photos.
I thought he broke off the handles. He used the cord to strangle her first, then made the garrote out of the paintbrush handle. He brought the cord and the duct tape in with him, which makes me think he didn't intend to use anything else, until....
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However, the contraption could still be used to aid someone in dragging a body.
But why would he need to drag her anywhere? He had already taken her to the basement.
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