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you do realize many of those lines from the movies and books were from films the ramseys had on videotape right?
and some books found in their bedroom right?
They weren't, though. Not sure where you're getting your information.
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we're rehashing stuff that's been out for 18 years and some people still don't get it.
From Paula Woodward's book, We Have Your Daughter:
The Ramseys didn't go out to theaters to see many movies, since they had a huge screen in their home; they rented videos. All the videos that were in the home were children's movies. LE combed through rental video receipts from surrounding stores but could not find any rentals of the movies that tied in with the RN ("Dirty Harry," "Ruthless People," "Nick of Time," or "Speed." "Ransom" was playing in theaters at that time).
Are we sure she was warm? Brain injuries sometimes shut down processes to a minimum to conserve energy. She could have cooled off while still living if this was the case with hers.
The strangulation came 45 minutes to 2 hours after the blow to the head. She was going to die anyways. All the information has already been released.
If either of the Ramseys had written the RN, why, when the Boulder PD asked for handwriting samples, did they give them the pad from which the note had been written? That was where the "practice note" was found. If they had written the note, they would have hidden or disposed of the pad.
The Ramseys had a lot of money...did not mean they had a lot of brains. They did a lot of stuff on the fly.
The strangulation came 45 minutes to 2 hours after the blow to the head.
The autopsy report showed that the strangulation occurred before the head blow.
Dr. Lucy Rorke, a neuropathologist who was hired to testify at the Grand Jury, who had never seen the body but viewed slides, is the one who determined that there was 45 minutes to 2 hours between the head blow and the strangulation. One of former chief Beckner’s detectives, who was assigned to be a liaison for the BPD and who sat in on all of the GJ testimony, would have shared this information with Beckner. This is also referenced in Kolar’s book, Foreign Faction.
Even Chief Beckner later recanted his statement about this (scroll back).
If the head injury--which Rorke said was first--had killed JBR, then there would have been no petechial hemorrhages on the eyelids or any other place. Dead people cannot produce petechial hemorrhages. The heart has to be pumping.
There is other damage associated with strangulation and no other damage associated with a head blow, indicating that the strangulation was done to a live, moving body and the head blow was done to a stationary body.
There are indications of two places of strangulation, indicating an initial strangulation, causing unconsciousness, and a second placing of the cord for another purpose.
These pictures have also been posted before on this thread.
The autopsy report showed that the strangulation occurred before the head blow.
Dr. Lucy Rorke, a neuropathologist who was hired to testify at the Grand Jury, who had never seen the body but viewed slides, is the one who determined that there was 45 minutes to 2 hours between the head blow and the strangulation. One of former chief Beckner’s detectives, who was assigned to be a liaison for the BPD and who sat in on all of the GJ testimony, would have shared this information with Beckner. This is also referenced in Kolar’s book, Foreign Faction.
Even Chief Beckner later recanted his statement about this (scroll back).
If the head injury--which Rorke said was first--had killed JBR, then there would have been no petechial hemorrhages on the eyelids or any other place. Dead people cannot produce petechial hemorrhages. The heart has to be pumping.
There is other damage associated with strangulation and no other damage associated with a head blow, indicating that the strangulation was done to a live, moving body and the head blow was done to a stationary body.
There are indications of two places of strangulation, indicating an initial strangulation, causing unconsciousness, and a second placing of the cord for another purpose.
These pictures have also been posted before on this thread.
The autopsy makes it clear that the cause of death was asphyxiation by strangulation. The blow to the head occurred near the time of death is all the autopsy says. It preceded the cause of death.
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The autopsy makes it clear that the cause of death was asphyxiation by strangulation. The blow to the head occurred near the time of death is all the autopsy says. It preceded the cause of death.
Yes. Head blow first, severe enough to cause death in a short period of time, but then she was strangled and that was what caused her death.
Yes. Head blow first, severe enough to cause death in a short period of time, but then she was strangled and that was what caused her death.
Strangulation need only be done until one detects the loss of vital signs. There is no need to follow with a severe strike to the head. There would be signs of disturbance of the staged crime scene if the head strike came last.
The autopsy makes it clear that the cause of death was asphyxiation by strangulation. The blow to the head occurred near the time of death is all the autopsy says. It preceded the cause of death.
The Boulder Coroner’s Report concluded, "Cause of death of this six-year-old female is asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma." Dr. Meyer did not indicate in what order the injuries happened, and another forensic coroner consulted said that it would be difficult to determine injury order in this case.
FWIW, I think---Burke got up out of bed to play with his new train set. He was so excited about it that he couldn't sleep but John had told him it was too late, go to bed. I don't know why JBR would have been downstairs with him but maybe she couldn't sleep either.
They sat and ate pineapple. JBR did something that enraged Burke. She stole some pineapple? She wrecked his train set? Anyway, he went nuts, picked up a heavy flashlight and slammed her on the head. Probably when he realized she was knocked out, he went and got Patsy. He would have had years of pent up jealously about JBR the way she was shown off and pampered.
They thought she was dead. They couldn't call 911 for some reason--maybe because John had a record of sexual abuse with JBR, she had been to her pediatrician many times in the last month because of vaginal infections. They staged the strangulation, but I don't know how they knew how to do this. Maybe she watched a lot of weird movies and knew how. At some point they got John and he came down and messed around some more with the body, probably figuring he could do a better job than Patsy had done at staging. So it was very strange. Maybe he's the one who knew about garrotts (sp?) because maybe he was a weirdo sexual abuser.
Anyway, Patsy certainly was up all night. Most women will attest to that. A woman doesn't get up in the morning and put on last night's party clothes. She was up all night and never had a chance to change. She wrote the ransom note too.
There was a 911 call made from the house the day before. Something funny was going on. The police got there but were not allowed in. It was all within the house, the family. John even got a suitcase and was going to put the body in it and get it out of the house, but the suitcase was too small. He finally just kept her in the basement. And when he "found" her the next day, he simply carried her upstairs, thus destroying the murder scene.
Money got them off the hook because the jury said they were guilty of abuse by not protecting her from a known abuser (Burke? John?) The family they were friends with, the Whites, stopped speaking to them--they must have known the truth and did not approve. It adds up but there are gaps that we may never know.
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