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There is nothing to suggest he forced her to go, or got her drunk, is there?
He was there. She didn't go alone. To say she wound up there solely as a result of her own decision doesn't even make sense. There were two people involved in this.
Ha ha...........I think you are ascribing to what I wrote things I did not mean.
Everything you describe is before the incident whatever it was happened.
What I was describing was after the incident, when she woke up to being national news..........quite a bit different.
I also don't see 18-22 year old college students as the peers of an already graduated from college 24 year old. Although, admittedly other than the fact she wanted to spend time with her younger sister, it seems a bit immature that she was even attending this party.
There are 24yr olds in college; associations not the issue. Drinking along with a frat house of underagers was a poor desicion. Of the 40 attending how many were even of legal drinking age?
He was there. She didn't go alone. To say she wound up there solely as a result of her own decision doesn't even make sense. There were two people involved in this.
He didn't say she went alone. He didn't say there was only one person involved in this. If you are going to engage folks in discussion, don't lie about what is being said.
And she DID make the decision to go with him. Had she not agreed to go, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Of the 40 attending how many were even of legal drinking age?
I always wonder how they get away with that. College tribunals act independently of law enforcement when it comes to sexual assault, but under-aged drinking is a way of life there. It hasn't stopped.
He didn't say she went alone. He didn't say there was only one person involved in this. If you are going to engage folks in discussion, don't lie about what is being said.
And she DID make the decision to go with him. Had she not agreed to go, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
He said she wound up there solely as a result of her own decision. If not for Brock, I doubt she would have gone behind a dumpster and stood there by herself for no reason. What do you think?
I always wonder how they get away with that. College tribunals act independently of law enforcement when it comes to sexual assault, but under-aged drinking is a way of life there. It hasn't stopped.
It's accepted and been the norm for decades. How many deaths from hazing?
He said she wound up there solely as a result of her own decision. If not for Brock, I doubt she would have gone behind a dumpster and stood there by herself for no reason. What do you think?
What he said was...
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Ultimately, this is a young woman who believes(has been taught) that she is free to consume
whatever amount of alcohol she wants, and whatever decisions she makes afterward are not her
responsibility. "Well, if I did consent, it's because I was drunk, and you should've known I was too drunk
to consent, so you're a sexual predator. It doesn't matter that you were drunk too". She was behind
that dumpster that night as a result of the decisions that SHE made, period.
Did Brock get her drunk? Did he force her to leave the party with him? Did he put her behind a dumpster?
The answer to all three is no because....
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Originally Posted by PriscillaVanilla
Let's get one thing straight, neither Brock nor his victim were kids, they were legal adults. Our society needs to stop infantilizing college students..
So from another perspective, how would this night have ended if she were slightly less drunk? My guess is, she would have been able to make it back to her place with him and have sex. But she was so drunk that she didn't make it far before passing out.
I don't know how exactly they ended up back behind the dumpster. I don't know if they were grabbing and groping and rolling around and she passed out - if that's the case, honestly it's hard to charge him with a felony.
It's not like he picked her up unconscious, removed her from the party and took her behind the dumpster.
I do know that very drunk young men can maintain an erection. Those who don't believe that maybe didn't get out much in college.
The charge of rape should mean something, because it's a horrific act. I'm not sure this one meets that criteria.
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