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Tell us how he avoided residue on his face, when the FBI agents could not avoid it when testing the rifle. Since the FBI presented the residue on Oswald's hands as evidence he shot officer Tippit, but no residue on Oswald's face meant he had a "super sealing rifle"?
Can you please tell us when the FBI presented the results of the GSR test on Oswald as evidence of anything? The test on Oswald was done by the Dallas PD, and the testifying FBI agent said that his agency considered the test as useless but would do the analysis for PD's that requested it, while reminding them that the FBI had no faith in it.
The PD told the Commission that they had never done the test on a person's face before and would not have done it on Oswald except that due to the nature of the case they foresaw being blamed for not doing it.
Can you please tell us when the FBI presented the results of the GSR test on Oswald as evidence of anything? The test on Oswald was done by the Dallas PD, and the testifying FBI agent said that his agency considered the test as useless but would do the analysis for PD's that requested it, while reminding them that the FBI had no faith in it.
The PD told the Commission that they had never done the test on a person's face before and would not have done it on Oswald except that due to the nature of the case they foresaw being blamed for not doing it.
No, I could argue this forever. If the test was useless, why did the FBI use the results of the test on Oswald's hands as evidence that Oswald had indeed shot a revolver to kill officer Tippit? Why did the test turn out to be reliable for every FBI agent who test shot the rifle? Since the test cleared Oswald, the PD and FBI started making excuses. This is a deep subject, please read the following link. The tests were being tampered with to frame Oswald.
What evidence do you have that contradicts the FBI testimony to the Warren Commission that the agent who performed the test of rapidly firing the murder rifle got no gunshot residue, and that forensic experts would expect to find none?
I have to travel. You can do a web search and find the discussions on the FOIA that proved the FBI lied to the Warren Commision, or I will when I get back. You can get started here:
Oswald's Rifle and Paraffin Tests : The JFK Assassination
"Seven marksmen fired a rifle of the same type as that found on the sixth floor. The standard paraffin test was administered, and the paraffin casts were subjected to neutron activation analysis. All seven subjects showed substantial amounts of barium and antimony on their hands and, more importantly, on their cheeks.7"
See note 7:
"Because the tests required the use of a nuclear reactor, they were carried out on behalf of the FBI at a reactor owned by the Atomic Energy Commission. Before the neutron activation analyses were made, it had been decided that “any such examinations will, of course, be with the strict understanding that the information and dissemination of the results will be under complete FBI control”: FBI HQ JFK File, 62–109060–5. The results of the NAA controlled test were made public two decades after the assassination as the result of a court case, and are available in the Harold Weisberg Archive, Hood College, Frederick, Maryland. The case was Weisberg v. ERDA and the Department of Justice, Civil Action 75–226 (by the time of the court case, the AEC had been absorbed into the ERDA)."
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True^^^ JFK the movie was a drama based on the assassination, not a factual events story.
True.
Stone says he’s in a different place now than he was when he made “JFK.” He frankly appears to be more weary of the global power structure than ever before. He says he feels like he knows a lot more about government now and “the American fairytale” that’s conjured for mass consumption, and that “JFK” holds a special place for fronting that message of questioning our higher offices.
I am in no way an expert, but I have read numerous books and articles on the subject, and all I can say is that anyone who thinks Oswald was the lone shooter has just not read enough about the assassination.
Do I know who actually killed JFK and/or who was behind it? NO . . . but I do know that the official story is a LIE.
The thing about the movie is that the cop (Garrison) drew conclusions based on a hunch, and pursued it relentlessly, attributing every dead end he encountered to a growing conspiracy.
This is pretty much the life story of every hair-brained conspiracy theory that has ever grown in the world.
Having said that, a little balance might be worth your time.
Another, even better film to watch would be a 1973 film by David Miller "Executive Action"
Another point:
Whenever two or more people discuss or plan to commit a crime, it has become a conspiracy.
And, Oswald pulled the trigger. Simple fact.
How can you say that? There is zero evidence that Oswald was the shooter. Oswald denied it, there were no eyewitnesses, no powder residue, Oswald's rifle was 'found' but no evidence exists that proves he used it that day from that location. The only things that tie Oswald to the shooting are claims by the government backed up with nothing more than very sketchy circumstantial evidence.
No, I could argue this forever. If the test was useless, why did the FBI use the results of the test on Oswald's hands as evidence that Oswald had indeed shot a revolver to kill officer Tippit? Why did the test turn out to be reliable for every FBI agent who test shot the rifle? Since the test cleared Oswald, the PD and FBI started making excuses. This is a deep subject, please read the following link. The tests were being tampered with to frame Oswald.
Why do you keep saying that the FBI used the gunshot residue test results as evidence? Their testimony to the Warren Commission was that they did not use or believe in the test, that years before they had run an experiment with 17 subjects that showed totally random results, and that when they ran the cheek test with an agent who had cleaned his face before firing there was negative residue, but that some control subjects who had not even fired a gun but who had not washed their faces immediately before being tested showed positive for "gunshot residue".
Why do you keep saying that the FBI used the gunshot residue test results as evidence? Their testimony to the Warren Commission was that they did not use or believe in the test, that years before they had run an experiment with 17 subjects that showed totally random results, and that when they ran the cheek test with an agent who had cleaned his face before firing there was negative residue, but that some control subjects who had not even fired a gun but who had not washed their faces immediately before being tested positive for "gunshot residue".
They presented no evidence that could prove Oswald fired that rifle on that day. Everyone just assumes that he did it despite the lack of evidence. If Oswald had not been murdered while in police custody (how does that even happen?), I don't think they could have convicted him in a fair trial. There is almost nothing that ties him to the crime. From what I remember the only true evidence of Oswald's involvement were that he owned a rifle and worked in that building. Neither of which get you even close to beyond a reasonable doubt if you are judging the events fairly and with an open mind.
None of JFK is true. Oliver Stone is a propagandist in the truest sense of the term and took a lot of pointers from Leni Riefenstahl when he made that movie.
I lived through that and think that there was some kind of conspiracy involved...don't know who was involved in it, however. CYA, government does that a lot, whether the gov is involved or NOT.
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