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Old 12-08-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Green Valley, AZ
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I will start with saying the I am not a member. I will also say that I do not like the idea of having membership tied to my property deed. If I want to join, I would just like to join and pay what ever fee for as long as I find the services valuable.

Some folks from my youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8U...e_polymer=true have asked for my opinion on GVR which I gave, but I would like these folks to hear from others so they can have a balanced view of what people in the community think about GVR.
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Old 12-08-2019, 03:35 PM
 
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OK, I will bite.

The costs of GVR are as follows: a one-time $2,400 capital fee assessed on all deeded properties in the community at the time of closing and $493 per year for up to two people per household.

And what do you get for that?

-access to 13 pools and six fitness facilities throughout the community.
-access to dozens of clubs with a great number of activities.
- a good number of cultural activities
- access to a tennis and pickleball courts.

Personally, without GVR, I would have NO interest in living in Southern Arizona. That is fundamentally why we moved into the area. If for some reason that would go away, we will be out of here within a year.

"Opt ins" and "Opt-outs" will not pay for the facilities and on several occasions, the GVR membership have voted against allowing non-deeded owners into the facilities.
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Old 12-08-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Texas
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Personally, without GVR, I would have NO interest in living in Southern Arizona. That is fundamentally why we moved into the area. If for some reason that would go away, we will be out of here within a year.
So, without the GVR, is it just boring, do you not like the weather, the people or whatever and where would you go?
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Old 12-08-2019, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Green Valley, AZ
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So, without the GVR, is it just boring, do you not like the weather, the people or whatever and where would you go?
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying GVR is bad, I am just saying it is not for me, especially while I am still working. There are tons of things to do without GVR. If you are bored in Green Valley, I would say that would be a personal problem.
There are many places to walk/hike such as Madera Canyon, and you can bird watch while there.
I see many people walking and riding bicycles all over town.
We have a Performing Arts Center right here in Green Valley.
I have adopted a roadway La Canada from Mission Twin Buttes to Esperanza and I keep that clean.
My wife volunteers at Friends In Deed which is an all volunteer non profit organization that loans out all kinds of durable medical equipment such as wheel chairs, crutches, walkers, shower chairs, commodes, etc to people that want to try before they buy or are recovering from surgery and other such situations.
This place is beautiful, so there is always photography/painting, or other art forms.
We have a movie theater
All kinds of craft fairs/farmers markets
20 miles south is Tubac for shopping, dining or both. There is also the historic remains of the Tubac Presidio including a museum.
Another 5 or so miles south of Tubac is Tumacacori where there is a historic Mission and a piece of the Anza trail.
About 7 miles north is the Desert Diamond Casino where you can gamble or attend concerts
There are tons of car shows in the area including a weekly cruise in at the Continental Mall every Wednesday from 4 pm to 6 pm.
About 20 miles north of Green Valley is the San Xavier del Bac Mission that is well worth several visits.
Right here in Green Valley we have the Titan Missile Museum
And let's not forget all the golf courses if that is your thing.
and on and on and on. Like I say, if you find yourself bored here, I think you would need to look in the mirror!!! ;-)
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Old 12-08-2019, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Texas
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I was not thinking you thought it was boring as it sounds like a very nice community to me and I know you're always keeping busy, Bart. Just curious as to why jlawrence01 would leave GV if no GVR. I'm sure he'll be around to satisfy my curiosity. Lol!
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Texas
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So, I just looked up all the retirement communities in Green Valley and in my price range, the only one that is NOT affiliated with the GVR is Canyon View.
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Texas
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So, I just looked up all the retirement communities in Green Valley and the only one that is NOT affiliated with the GVR is Canyon View. Personally, if I end up there, I would rather not have GVR.
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Old 12-08-2019, 09:44 PM
 
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My parents built a house in an Earl Whigham development in Green Valley in the 1970's. The development has a pool and they opted not to join GVR. I, on the other hand, would want GVR for the same reasons outlined by jlawrence01: the pools, workout facilities, and access to activities. I don't mind the capital fee or annual fee. Where it gets prickly for me is that if you buy a house without GVR and then you join GVR, it gets added to your house deed in perpetuity. You can't remove it from the deed later.

I see real estate listings where the ads lead with: "No GVR!" Which means there are plenty of people, maybe snowbirders, who don't want GVR. If I add it to my house, it could make it harder to sell later. But if I don't add it, then I can't use any of the great pools or rec centers in Green Valley, correct? For a gym, I'd have to drive up to Copper Fitness. For a pool, there would be no pool. I love lap swimming and want this. Do they ever allow non-GVR people to use the facilities for a fee?

It seems to me they could come up with a way where we could join the facilities, pay all the fees while we live in our homes, but not permanently laminate GVR to the house deed. I'm sure this has been discussed often, but no easy answer.
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Old 12-09-2019, 09:02 AM
 
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I see real estate listings where the ads lead with: "No GVR!" Which means there are plenty of people, maybe snowbirders, who don't want GVR. If I add it to my house, it could make it harder to sell later. But if I don't add it, then I can't use any of the great pools or rec centers in Green Valley, correct? For a gym, I'd have to drive up to Copper Fitness. For a pool, there would be no pool. I love lap swimming and want this. Do they ever allow non-GVR people to use the facilities for a fee?
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Without Green Valley Recreation, the area has a lot less of the social opportunities that we are seeking. Yes, there are attractions in the area - but how often do you really head to the Titan Missile Museum, take the mine tour, and the like before you have seen it all?

GVR allows visitors of members who live more than 30 miles out of the area to use the facilities. As for locals, no it is not permitted. Membership has its privileges. Occasionally, non-members do slip in but often, they are asked to leave. Why should non-members use the facilities that we pay for.
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Old 12-09-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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Without Green Valley Recreation, the area has a lot less of the social opportunities that we are seeking. Yes, there are attractions in the area - but how often do you really head to the Titan Missile Museum, take the mine tour, and the like before you have seen it all?

GVR allows visitors of members who live more than 30 miles out of the area to use the facilities. As for locals, no it is not permitted. Membership has its privileges. Occasionally, non-members do slip in but often, they are asked to leave. Why should non-members use the facilities that we pay for.
I agree.

It's unusual in that a block can be dotted with GVR and non-GVR houses, solely based on a long-ago owner's choice to join or not join GVR. Several generations from now as preferences change (millennials perhaps wanting more freedom of choice), this may be more of an issue for home buyers. I hope to buy and stay put. There was an article recently in Green Valley News about a 100-year-old man who is still playing tennis there! Very inspirational. Without GVR, he wouldn't be playing tennis.
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