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Old 11-24-2020, 04:52 PM
 
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Yep, based on the most recent elections, it appears AZ has gone "blue." Now, that, that has happened, there's zero incentive for this Californian to entertain the thought of taking residence in AZ. (I liked Prescott and Flag.) Oh well, keep looking now...
Yavapai County is still quite conservative but Arizona shares a problem with Nevada in that state politics are driven by a single large city. Flagstaff was never in the cards due to it transforming from a somewhat useful place into a school town over the decades.

Generally, urban = blue, which makes sense if you consider that you need more top-down control of people when the density and diversity are higher. The death of social glue always results in a need for more explicit rules.

I know how hard it is to find that combination of self-sustaining town, generally low population density, and a lack of rent seekers running matters.
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Old 11-27-2020, 02:25 PM
 
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I live in Oregon, 20 miles outside of Portland. I've lived there since 1956 when I was born. My wife and I also have a home in Green Valley Az.

For the record my wife and I have conservative values, but we believe in live and let live. We will always support whoever is in the White house.

OK climbing down off the soap box... got to be careful, I could fall and break a hip!

For what it's worth I see Az changing from "Fire engine Red" to a kinder gentler shade of Blue.

We now consider Az maybe a 2 year stop over as we flee the insanity that is Oregon. Here's why...

For those who don't know what happened in Oregon politically, in the late 1980's It began to change from Light Red to a kinder gentler shade of blue as well.

It was partly newcomers, Californians included, moving to the Rose city over a period of a couple of decades
that changed it to dark blue. It was also a sh*tty school system, Poor narrow roads and highways, built with no consideration for the future. There was do nothing leadership, and a stagnant diversity of industries .

Oregon was ripe for the picking, and there was no shortage of " I wanna change sh*t" leader types coming in to "Fix" Oregon. And... as the scales tipped, things did improve and people saw and said " It's perfect, I wanna live there!"...So they came. And the scales tipped, and tipped and are still tipping!

It was dramatic. Now we have ex California gov Jerry Browns sister, Kate Brown, as our governor. Cap and trade, The Green new deal, Legal recreational Marijuana, No penalties if caught with Heroin ,Crack, Oxy or any hard drug. No prosecution for rioting, throwing molatov cocktails at police, Doxing etc.

But... A $1200 fine for littering, non hands free cell phones, or having more than 6 people over for Thanksgiving dinner during the Co Co pandemic. 100 days of protests, out of control homelessness. The proud capitol of Antifa!

Sorry that last part is a bit of an exaggeration I put in for effect

But I think Oregon is officially a blue state now and my wife and I , well, we think they've lost there minds.

AND.... this election's results out of Az, well, they look a lot like Oregon did in mmmm, early 2000 or so.

I give Az 10 years before they get a Kate Brown of their own at the capitol and the scales tip and tip and tip as they do.

The only saving grace is that Az has a better infrastructure, better schools, more diversity of industry. Maybe that will save Az, time will tell.

Meanwhile, we're looking around..Just in case!
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Old 11-27-2020, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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It was dramatic. Now we have ex California gov Jerry Browns sister, Kate Brown, as our governor. Cap and trade, The Green new deal, Legal recreational Marijuana, No penalties if caught with Heroin ,Crack, Oxy or any hard drug. No prosecution for rioting, throwing molatov cocktails at police, Doxing etc.:
I appreciate your post about the sociopolitical trends in Oregon, but I wanted to clarify that Oregon Governor Kate Brown is NOT the sister of former California Governor Jerry Brown. Jerry Brown’s sister, Kathleen, ran for California Governor in 1994 and lost to Republican Pete Wilson.
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Old 11-27-2020, 06:45 PM
 
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I appreciate your post about the sociopolitical trends in Oregon, but I wanted to clarify that Oregon Governor Kate Brown is NOT the sister of former California Governor Jerry Brown. Jerry Brown’s sister, Kathleen, ran for California Governor in 1994 and lost to Republican Pete Wilson.
Not his biological, but ideological sister.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:33 PM
 
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The occurrence of California license plates around Tucson is almost shocking. I have never seen so many. My wife is in real estate and it aligns with what she is seeing as far as clients and new buyers, most of them buying with cash.

I welcome new folks to Tucson, but hope they contemplate the reasons and policies they left behind in California.
Considering it is probably mostly wealthy republicans, why worry? They are coming because they want something different than what they are leaving, not because they want to go somewhere and make it like the place they left.
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Old 11-28-2020, 10:26 PM
 
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Considering it is probably mostly wealthy republicans, why worry? They are coming because they want something different than what they are leaving, not because they want to go somewhere and make it like the place they left.
Maybe some, not all. Lots of large money coming here is out of state and very blue. Multimillion dollar listings are not unusual now. Most of those purchases are from out of state clients paying cash, and many are very liberal or left (first hand conversations). I wish it wasn't so, but.....
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Old 12-17-2020, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Lifelong SoCalian
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Not his biological, but ideological sister.

Lol! Slick! I see what you did there.
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Old 12-17-2020, 08:37 PM
 
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Meanwhile, the younger socialist actually just love capitalism. Selling out high in Cali and moving to low cost other areas. Hypocrites? I think so.

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I'm so happy the younger generations aren't of this mindset. Tijlover is right that there's a coming generational sweep which is going to occur. I'm 57 and I feel it coming. The younger generations are so tired of everything being about guns, churches, Wall Street, racism/segregation, lack of concern for the environment and climate change. If you don't feel it coming, then you've got blinders on.

It's interesting that the White conservative element on this thread is so eager to go and wreck Tucson's historic Indigenous-Chicano culture, warmth, artistic nature and liberal mindset just so they can tout their guns and not pay society back for their prosperity.
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Old 12-17-2020, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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As a 36 year old progressive Democrat, it's nice to see states like Arizona and Georgia finally turning blue after decades of being a Republican stronghold. I hope the trend continues and also impacts Texas and Florida in the coming years.

I'm sick and tired of this capitalism vs. socialism baloney. It's such an outdated dichotomy. We need to be focused on solutions, regardless of which "ism" they are associated with. It's time to finally do something about climate change, making sure everyone has healthcare, making sure everyone is paying their fair share of taxes and do something about guns ASAP. The obsession with guns in this country is sickening.

I recently moved to Florida and absolutely brought my "liberal" politics with me and it paid off. My county flipped blue and we just passed a sales tax increase beginning for 2021 to fund our school system.
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Old 12-17-2020, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I get the year-end re-cap from The Economist magazine and it gives national average incomes and if you look at the so-called Socialist countries in Europe, their incomes are higher than the U.S.

And if you look at the Billionaire issue of Forbes, gee whiz! Billionaires in these so-called Socialist countries!

There's many different colors of Socialism, but our Politico's will always point their fingers south to Cuba and Venezuela which can't even spell the word Socialism.

And it's always going to be that way in any Presidential election, fingers pointed south and not east.
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