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Old 05-10-2021, 11:36 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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As you can tell from my post's title, I am torn between moving to Tucson vs. Cleveland. I lived in Cleveland twice in the past (1999-2000). Those were times that I was grieving the loss of my parents (in Florida, where I was born and lived at the time). Why I went to Ohio was because I'd spent some time there as we had family friends there, so it was familiar. The cold weathe bothered me, I'll admit that. So did the dreary weather and the old, dreary buildings in some places. However, i also remember the rich ethnic diversity there - the Westside Market was a place I went often, along with there being Hungarian Italian, Polish and more restaurants. I also loved the Metroparks and walking along Lake Erie.

i moved to North Carolina in 2002 because I wanted to get a TESL certificate and Duke University had a good program at that time in this. I also was teaching ESL part-time at a community college. i stayed on here in the Triangle because i frankly was tired of moving at that time. Here i am, 19 years later, never really having fit in here as a single older female. For the last year or more i've been researching places online.

I haven't traveled in recent years but I have been to Phoenix twice in the past, once at Christmas and once in the month of April. Both times I loved it. I had a job offer there and I passed on it because of allowing myself to be talked out of it - the "what if you move there and don't like it?" words. I do know the heat will be much worse in summer than April. i also remember how alive I felt in the sunshine and beauty of the sunsets.

Now I'm 62. It's getting more and more expensive to live here, and this area is not for single, older people like myself. I've been working remotely, part-time doing internet research and part-time teaching English on a conversation platform. Both jobs are portable, of course. I'd like to find something else for employment but for now this is working okay, to get through the pandemic.

I've never been to Tucson, but I know it's smaller and perhaps easier to live in being older, maybe easier to make friends. i'm living at an in-law apt. month-to-month so i can leave anytime.

Do I go for the familiar or do I take a chance for something different. I think about Cleveland probably being better for healthcare in the future. i love the proximity to Mexico that Tucson has, and of course the Mexican presence is in Tucson also - the food, art, music, etc. I'm not an outdoorsy person but enjoy parks, gardens, etc. I also like the symphony, festivals, farmer's markets, art galleries. Both cities offer that.

I wish I could get up and take a flight out there but I have an older dog, so wherever i go, I want to renta place, go there and see how it goes. Where shall it be?
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Old 05-10-2021, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Alabama, West Coast born and raised
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I vote Tucson. You talked about sunshine, proximity to Mexico (great dental care in Los Algodones- check YouTube), dreariness in Cleveland. Tucson is a great city with a great university and lots of culture. It's very relaxed and lots of good restaurants and cafes. The temps are about 5-10 degrees cooler than Phoenix. Christmas and April didn't give you a clear picture of how hot it gets in Phoenix. And it varies from year to year. One year it didn't get hot until June, another year it got really hot April 15. One year it didn't cool off until Nov 15 (Nov 1 is the usual). I lived in Phoenix for 6 years and loved it. I would never choose Cleveland over a lot of other places, weather and too big a city being the main deterrents.

Another thing is, being older it's easier to live where it's warmer. I tried snow and nixed that pretty quickly.

From your description it seems Tucson is a way better fit for you. I would take a chance on something different.

P.S. I'm older and found the healthcare excellent in Arizona because of the aging snowbirds that descend and also live there year round. Don't forget, there's a Mayo Clinic in Phoenix and out near Fountain Hills (Scottsdale).

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Old 05-10-2021, 01:34 PM
 
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Since you rent now, you can easily move and rent in Tucson. Rent for a year and you should know pretty well by then. The thing is--if you never go to the desert, will the question always remain?
I'm from Michigan, and yep, cold cold cold, snow snow snow, ice ice ice, gray gray gray...6 months of the year.
That's why I'm reading your post. I've been thinking of Tucson to southern NM and have visited twice in the last several years.
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Old 05-10-2021, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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Now I'm 62. It's getting more and more expensive to live here, and this area is not for single, older people like myself. I've been working remotely, part-time doing internet research and part-time teaching English on a conversation platform. Both jobs are portable, of course. I'd like to find something else for employment but for now this is working okay, to get through the pandemic.
Not sure what you consider expensive, but don't come to Arizona and assume it's still cheap to live here - because it's not.
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Old 05-10-2021, 04:03 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Thanks for your input, pathrunner and NoMansLands! NoMansLands, my friend from Miami moved up to Michigan and she seems to be really happy there, but in her case she has a significant other. It might be good to try Tucson for a while and see how it feels. The only problem would be having to drive there and leave my stuff in storage here -no furniture though, just china, family photos, etc. which can remain. Maybe even make it a summer vacation and see if my dog and I can withstand the heat. But that's a way to look at it, as you say, try it and not wonder what if.

As far as a place being cheap, everyone know that costs are going up everywhere! I know, however, in checking various housing/apartment sites that there are still places that are more affordable. Tucson has some places, not all obviously, but cheaper than Asheville, which is another place I was researching.

I'm going to see what thoughts people have here and what tone I find too on this site. I saw a lot of arguing between people who commented on one of my posts, not with me but among each other. I go by vibes also.
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Old 05-10-2021, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Alamogordo, NM
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I heard from a little bird that Asheville is expensively expensive.
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Old 05-10-2021, 04:27 PM
 
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miamian, I too would be going on faith that I had done my homework and Tucson or southern NM was the right place for me. I think eventually wherever we go becomes home if we stick it out long enough. No place is perfect, I've looked. I have a lot of friends and relatives in NC, so I've considered that state also. However I am not into humid heat and big black widow spiders all over the deck every morning, which is exactly what my relative has that lives in Asheville. I also like very much the idea of getting away from cloudy skies and too many rain/snow days a year. NC less snow, more rain than MI.

I wouldn't base my decision on any arguing on this site. Think of how few replies this Tucson subcategory gets compared to the number of people that live in greater Tucson.
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Old 05-10-2021, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Alabama, West Coast born and raised
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True, no longer cheap to live in Arizona. Too bad. The only areas that are still cheap.... you wouldn't want to live there. Either too far away or too unsafe and/or unsavory.

I have two dogs, they're big and hairy with thick undercoats. They did just fine in Arizona. You have to have air conditioning in Arizona. You stay in during the worst parts of the day and go out when it's cooler. There are dog parks that open at 5am and some stay open until 10pm. You go back home by 7-8am and stay in until it gets almost dark. I mean, it will still be beastly hot, but doable.

As long as you have a cool place to hang out during the day and good fresh water they will be fine. Keeping the place at about 78-80 degrees will keep your bill lower. You get used to it. If you need it to be lower than 78 it goes up pretty fast. (Using a fan along with A/C helps.)

If you move there, keep Cosmo Dog Park in mind. It's a water park for dogs, with docks for them to jump off of. It's where they train dock dogs you see on TV. It's in Gilbert, Arizona near the Mesa Airport. Not that far from Tucson for a little day trip. My dogs adored it. If your dog is small, no problem. I've never seen a dog fight on the lake side. They're having too much fun. Check out the photos.
https://goo.gl/maps/ynqapaWKtG7wwH3D9
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Old 05-10-2021, 05:55 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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That is so unique, a dog park where the dogs can go swimming! It makes good sense to have one though in Arizona. I worry about my dog, and myself too, if we were to go to Arizona. My car is old, a 2004 Honda. I've been having little things come up with it. What I fear is breaking down in the middle of Texas or New Mexico and being stranded in the middle of nowhere.

I'm still exploring. It's never felt like home here in North Carolina where I live. I lived in Durham many years near the mall, and I lived in Raleigh too. The crime in Durham has gone way up. I'm now in Chapel Hill, but as I say, renting a room in a house. I could never afford renting an apt. here. It's been very hard making friends here. One of the things I long for is community of some sort. Of course it's hard being older anywhere.

It is interesting to me that there isn't much activity on the Tucson site. Some of the sites are really contentious. I've looked at Toledo too, vs. Cleveland, as well as Madison, Wisconsin. The arguments were pretty mild there but on some of the others they got heated up.

From what I have read about Tucson, there are the very well-to-do areas and the not so nice areas. Everyone talks about crime too, but crime is everywhere, more in some areas than others though.

i appreciate chatting with everyone and seeing what other thoughts come up here.
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Old 05-10-2021, 10:53 PM
 
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Personally, I would take Cleveland. My preference as a retiree would be Lakewood where there are phenomenal senior housing and services should you need that down the road.

My reasons:
1) Health care is superior in Cleveland with two of the best health care systems in the country - Cleveland Clinic and University Hospital Systems.
2) The senior housing is very good and is highly subsidized for lower income people.
3) The city, especially Lakewood, is very walkable.
4) The public transportation - both bus and train - is far superior and safer.
5) There is a much better art and culture scene in the Cleveland area than Tucson. This is attributed to the size of the scene and corporate support. It is a sad commentary that while Tucson has the presence of a number of corporations in the area (Geico, Raytheon, etc), who are the biggest sponsors? The two Indian casinos and Jim Click car dealership networks.
6) The sport scene is a lot better in Cleveland. Tucson is probably the largest US city without a MINOR LEAGUE baseball team as the city does not support it.
7) Think of all of the cities within two hours of Cleveland. With Tucson, you do have Phoenix.


There are some other issues that I could add in a DM. However, Tucson is very similar to Dayton, OH and has very similar problems.

I lived in Lakewood from 1995-2000 and I have been here since 2014. My wife loves living in Green Valley. However, if I had my druthers, i would be in Lexington, KY.
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