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Old 01-30-2022, 07:22 PM
 
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I lived in Tucson for 5 years and I was struck by how scared they are of becoming Phoenix. It's like people don't recognize there is a happy medium.

The lack of an East/West Freeway or Expressway (no, Speedway does not count) is absurd. And they spent all that money on a streetcar that connects U of A to Downtown but does nothing for 99% of the city. Why not build a light rail system the way Phoenix did that actually gets people around the city? People there are so hostile to any kind of transportation or infrastructure project. It really hurts the economy and quality of life.
The short answer is Tucson is liberal. This article (from a liberal media outlet) explains it all:

Why Middle-Class Americans Can't Afford to Live in Liberal Cities

Blue America has a problem: Even after adjusting for income, left-leaning metros tend to have worse income inequality and less affordable housing.

There is a deep literature tying liberal residents to illiberal housing policies that create affordability crunches for the middle class. In 2010, UCLA economist Matthew Kahn published a study of California cities, which found that liberal metros issued fewer new housing permits. The correlation held over time: As California cities became more liberal, he said, they built fewer homes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...rdable/382045/
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Old 01-30-2022, 08:22 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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The short answer is Tucson is liberal. This article (from a liberal media outlet) explains it all:

Why Middle-Class Americans Can't Afford to Live in Liberal Cities

Blue America has a problem: Even after adjusting for income, left-leaning metros tend to have worse income inequality and less affordable housing.

There is a deep literature tying liberal residents to illiberal housing policies that create affordability crunches for the middle class. In 2010, UCLA economist Matthew Kahn published a study of California cities, which found that liberal metros issued fewer new housing permits. The correlation held over time: As California cities became more liberal, he said, they built fewer homes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...rdable/382045/
That still doesn't answer the question about why Tucson resists transportation projects, such as an efficient freeway system & mass transit. The city really has only one major freeway, which is I10. The only other freeway (I19) is more of a direct route to Nogales and Mexico, and doesn't really serve Tucson itself. The 210 doesn't even count as a freeway in my opinion.

As far as affordability, Tucson may not be cheap, but it's still much more affordable than most of CA. Politics isn't really an issue here. It's more of a NIMBY/anti growth mentality, which I have found exists among both liberals & conservatives. Tucson seems to be very hesitant about improving the infrastructure, attracting new companies, and job creation beyond the service sector. Last time I was in Tucson, it looked almost the same as when I was first there in the 1970s ... only more run down now.
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Old 01-30-2022, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Originally Posted by mysticaltyger View Post
The short answer is Tucson is liberal. This article (from a liberal media outlet) explains it all:

Why Middle-Class Americans Can't Afford to Live in Liberal Cities

Blue America has a problem: Even after adjusting for income, left-leaning metros tend to have worse income inequality and less affordable housing.

There is a deep literature tying liberal residents to illiberal housing policies that create affordability crunches for the middle class. In 2010, UCLA economist Matthew Kahn published a study of California cities, which found that liberal metros issued fewer new housing permits. The correlation held over time: As California cities became more liberal, he said, they built fewer homes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...rdable/382045/
Gavin Newson finally signed into law that, all over Califor-Nimby-a, that duplexes will now be allowed anywhere in CA, including the suburbs, to help relieve the housing crisis. That's one great step, which has angered the Nimby's.

Unbelievably, 72% of L.A. county is still zoned for single family homes. But that will change.
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Old 04-11-2022, 08:56 AM
 
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Default Closer downtown or GV trek

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It's interesting that the most expensive housing seems to be on the north-east side of town, yet that is the farthest to drive to get to activities downtown? Which is quicker, far north-east neighborhoods or GV? Plays into my choices, I like to be able to get to a downtown in a reasonable amount of time.
I'm actually in the process of moving to Tucson from GV. For me personally, Tucson has the better amenities and fits my lifestyle. I did purchase on the East side and know it will take some time, but I'm fine with that. Before I move to GV I've always lived in a large city so it works fine for me. Good luck on your decision.
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Old 04-11-2022, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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My experience in Tucson was being stationed at DM in 1978-1980. I quite liked the city back then. Of course, 40+ years later I imagine it's a night-and-day difference.
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Old 04-11-2022, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Tucson, Arizona
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Slater, I think it has the same vibe as forty years ago in most of the city. It's quiet and full of respectful people who treat others decently. I lived here 1957-1979 and 1994-until now. Same great hiking, gorgeous mountains, lots of music, theater, symphonies, and restaurants.
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Old 04-30-2022, 10:45 AM
 
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Just curious as an outsider considering moving to Tucson why a city with potentially crippling future water supply issues would want unrestrained growth.
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Old 04-30-2022, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Unrestrained growth? You're looking at Phoenix and Las Vegas, not Tucson.
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Old 04-30-2022, 03:42 PM
 
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Unrestrained growth? You're looking at Phoenix and Las Vegas, not Tucson.
Right, my comment was directed at those who were complaining that there wasn't ENOUGH growth in Tucson.
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Old 04-30-2022, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Dessert
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Tucson says they have enough water for 200 years.

And residential areas use less water than farming, so building a subdivision on farm land would actually save water.
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