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Old 07-25-2008, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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As much as I like OkC HT, dsjeffries made some good points. And I don't think OkC stinks.
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, Traffic Circle Area
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As much as I like OkC HT, dsjeffries made some good points. And I don't think OkC stinks.
I visited there every other week for three years (in laws). I think it does.
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Old 07-26-2008, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Just when I thought Oklahoma City couldn't get any worse, I was proven to be wrong.
This statement is to me indicative of an attitude more than anything else.

It seems to me that for the last few years at least that a good many Tulsans have expressed to me a feeling of victimization. In a way I understand it because I noticed a similar thing that happened in the Oklahoma City area that began in the early 1980's. When you think of yourself as a victim then everything is perceived through that prism. There is a peculiar egoism that seems to evolve that leads to hysterical paranoia, hoarding, and mistrust.

There was certainly never any community interest in Oklahoma City about conspiring to deprive Tulsa of its ballet. Rather I should say if such a conspiracy existed it was confined to the minds of an even smaller group of people than those who attend the ballet. Regardless, if it existed, and there is certainly no evidence to suggest it did; then, it was hardly widespread enough to be considered much of a threat.

In fact I can find no substantial reason to believe anything other than the printed reports about the motivation behind the merger talks. Then there is the rather obvious fact that the merger was overwhelmingly rejected by the Oklahoma City group.

In the Oklahoma City area the victim attitude was turned around by a few leaders who worked unbelievably hard in the face of abysmal dejection. Those leaders made a few things work out. That led to an amazing change in attitude of everyone. I left at the low point and was amazed when I returned at the change.

It seems to me that some in Tulsa are really working hard to lead the community out of the dismal swamp. I prefer to think the community really is on the up tick although posts like this make me wonder.

I know that naturally some people just view everyone as competitors and everything is a win-lose proposition. I've personally been more usefully served by Stephen Covey's win/win thinking. It is quite amazing really what changing one's own perception from a view of limited resources to a view of infinite productivity can do.

It is too bad in my mind that Tulsa and Oklahoma City are so often at odds with each other. Perhaps there will be a time when the two cities can better work together.
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, Traffic Circle Area
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This statement is to me indicative of an attitude more than anything else.

It seems to me that for the last few years at least that a good many Tulsans have expressed to me a feeling of victimization. In a way I understand it because I noticed a similar thing that happened in the Oklahoma City area that began in the early 1980's. When you think of yourself as a victim then everything is perceived through that prism. There is a peculiar egoism that seems to evolve that leads to hysterical paranoia, hoarding, and mistrust.

There was certainly never any community interest in Oklahoma City about conspiring to deprive Tulsa of its ballet. Rather I should say if such a conspiracy existed it was confined to the minds of an even smaller group of people than those who attend the ballet. Regardless, if it existed, and there is certainly no evidence to suggest it did; then, it was hardly widespread enough to be considered much of a threat.

In fact I can find no substantial reason to believe anything other than the printed reports about the motivation behind the merger talks. Then there is the rather obvious fact that the merger was overwhelmingly rejected by the Oklahoma City group.

In the Oklahoma City area the victim attitude was turned around by a few leaders who worked unbelievably hard in the face of abysmal dejection. Those leaders made a few things work out. That led to an amazing change in attitude of everyone. I left at the low point and was amazed when I returned at the change.

It seems to me that some in Tulsa are really working hard to lead the community out of the dismal swamp. I prefer to think the community really is on the up tick although posts like this make me wonder.

I know that naturally some people just view everyone as competitors and everything is a win-lose proposition. I've personally been more usefully served by Stephen Covey's win/win thinking. It is quite amazing really what changing one's own perception from a view of limited resources to a view of infinite productivity can do.

It is too bad in my mind that Tulsa and Oklahoma City are so often at odds with each other. Perhaps there will be a time when the two cities can better work together.
As long as OKC is the capital, it will get the ear of those in the OK government. My biggest case in point is the widening of I-44 which has taken 20 years to even get on the budget, and is still far behind. Another is the use of state taxes for incentives for the basketball team. Tell me you wouldn't feel slighted as well given that. Come up and live here for a while and tell me your perception wouldn't be the same.
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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As long as OKC is the capital
Are you expecting a change? That's an interesting statement in its own right.

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Come up and live here for a while and tell me your perception wouldn't be the same.
As I said I subscribe to Covey's 7 Habits, particularly in this case his no. 4:Think Win Win. Specifically I believe in the abundance mentality, that there is plenty for everyone. So my attitude is the same whether I live in Moore, OK as I do now or in Tulsa or in any of the other places I've lived. I am moving to Oklahoma City in a few months.
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK, Traffic Circle Area
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Are you expecting a change? That's an interesting statement in its own right.


As I said I subscribe to Covey's 7 Habits, particularly in this case his no. 4:Think Win Win. Specifically I believe in the abundance mentality, that there is plenty for everyone. So my attitude is the same whether I live in Moore, OK as I do now or in Tulsa or in any of the other places I've lived. I am moving to Oklahoma City in a few months.
Kinda hard to think win-win when the older brother is hogging the time of the parents, don't you think? And then, asks the parents to roll your allowance in with your younger siblings so you can get newer and nicer toys...
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Old 07-27-2008, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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It is a choice.
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