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View Poll Results: What will puerto rico's status be?
Statehood 15 51.72%
Status quo (commonwealth) 9 31.03%
Ela soberano (like Palau, it would be an independant country, but allied with the usa) 3 10.34%
Independance 2 6.90%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-24-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Will they?
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:29 PM
 
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No, they won't. No group gives up American Citizenship. Birth tourism proves how highly it is coveted. It will probably not become a state, but not independent either.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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I believe there will be some form of "enhanced commonwealth" as proposed in 1976 that would combine certain features of statehood with certain features of the current Territory status. Puerto Rico will eventually come to be seen as a de-facto state.

Free Association will only happen if Congress agreed to allow US citizenship for the unborn, along with the present level of Federal funding and access to Federal programs. There is simply no way Congress could or would allow that. Palau requested US citizenship under their Compact and it was immediately rejected. Congress has said several times that they would get no more than what Palau, the Marshall Islands, etc get and that will not satisfy the Puerto Ricans.

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Old 08-24-2013, 05:41 PM
 
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I believe there will be some form of "enhanced commonwealth" as proposed in 1976 that would combine certain features of statehood with certain features of the current Territory status. Puerto Rico will eventually come to be seen as a de-facto state.

Free Association will only happen if Congress agreed to allow US citizenship for the unborn, along with the present level of Federal funding and access to Federal programs. There is simply no way Congress could or would allow that. Palau requested US citizenship under their Compact and it was immediately rejected. Congress has said several times that they would get no more than what Palau, the Marshall Islands, etc get and that will not satisfy the Puerto Ricans.


Alright, first of all, if enhanced commonwealth was an option, would that attract statehooders and commonwealthers? And it's been ruled unconstitutional. So could they modify it and remove unconstitutional things (presidential vote etc)

They'd basically be a state, but keep their language and culture at the same time.

Edit: here's a news story, could they modify an enhanced commonwealth proposal still?



http://www.caribbeanbusinesspr.com/n...ate-87243.html

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Old 08-24-2013, 06:04 PM
 
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Well the problem with that particular Senate hearing is that Ron Wyden and Lisa Murkowski are openly and very vocally pro-statehood. Murkowski even made it a point to state that she is the only sitting US Senator to have been born in a US territory. They ignored the letters of support written from pro-commonwealth senators like Joe Manchin, Roger Wicker, Bob Menendez, etc.

Remember, the "enhanced commonwealth" was approved by the US Dept. of Justice and both the House and Senate committees in 1976. The unconstitutional aspects were removed or modified, and the PDP and then Gov. Rafael Hernandez Colon agreed.
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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Well the problem with that particular Senate hearing is that Ron Wyden and Lisa Murkowski are openly and very vocally pro-statehood. Murkowski even made it a point to state that she is the only sitting US Senator to have been born in a US territory. They ignored the letters of support written from pro-commonwealth senators like Joe Manchin, Roger Wicker, Bob Menendez, etc.

Remember, the "enhanced commonwealth" was approved by the US Dept. of Justice and both the House and Senate committees in 1976. The unconstitutional aspects were removed or modified, and the PDP and then Gov. Rafael Hernandez Colon agreed.
Plus, if it was a state, it would have troubles like Quebec I would assume. Would Fortuño support the enhanded commonwealth? And in the first part of that article, it says

http://www.caribbeanbusinesspr.com/n...ate-87243.html


"The Popular Democratic Party’s push for an enhanced commonwealth status was dealt a heavy blow in the U.S. Senate when members of the upper chamber dismissed it as an option to resolve Puerto Rico’s status dilemma."

The senate dismissed it as an option, it's either statehood, ela soberano, or independance. Could expanded commonwealth still be done? How so?

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Old 08-25-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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Senador Ron Wyden declara que el ELA mejorado no es una opción para el futuro de Puerto Rico - El Nuevo Día

Some very bad news for the Soberanistas:
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¿Bajo la libre asociación, pueden los nacidos en Puerto Rico, a través de un tratado, seguir siendo ciudadanos estadounidenses?

Pienso que la respuesta sencilla es no. Las tres naciones del Pacífico que tienen una relación de libre asociación con Estados Unidos (islas Palau, Micronesia y Marshall) tienen soberanía y ciudadanía separada. Pienso que una ciudadanía común es incompatible con tener una soberanía separada.
Everyone would lose US citizenship including those who currently have it. Luis Vega Ramos and Antonio Fas Almorza have alot of egg on their faces today ...
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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Senador Ron Wyden declara que el ELA mejorado no es una opción para el futuro de Puerto Rico - El Nuevo Día

Some very bad news for the Soberanistas:
Everyone would lose US citizenship including those who currently have it. Luis Vega Ramos and Antonio Fas Almorza have alot of egg on their faces today ...
Wait, so the enhanced commonwealth can't happen? What will happen now?


"For example, it provides that if at the time Puerto Rico choose to free association status, those who are born on the island, even if they cease to be U.S. citizens, remain full access to United States."

Guess they'll be independant

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/b...o-1580712.html

If they're a state, would they lose their spanish language as the main language eventually? Will spanish always be puerto Rico's first language, even if they're a state?

"Con los cambios demográficos que ocurren, ¿abrirá la puerta Puerto Rico para un nuevo Estados Unidos, en el que el Congreso no objetará que un estado realice todas sus operaciones (gobierno, cortes, legislatura escuelas) en español y que pueda tener, como sucede ahora con Puerto Rico, su propia representación deportiva internacional y Comité Olímpico?"

"No hay requisitos de idioma para los estados, por lo que pueden realizar sus negocios oficiales en el idioma que seleccionen. Pienso que Louisina llevó a cabo operaciones en francés por muchos años. Nuevo México fue bilingüe durante gran parte de su historia y hoy Hawai es oficialmente bilingüe. La decisión sobre los equipos olímpicos no se hace bajo la ley estadounidense, sino que es determinada por el Comité Olímpico Internacional."

Notice they say "was" or "conducted", and many Americans from the mainland moved to Hawaii, New Mexico, and Louisiana when they were states. So, can Puerto Rico keep its spanish language if it becomes a state, even in the long future?

http://m.elnuevodia.com/senadorronwy...o-1580712.html

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Old 08-25-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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Quite the contrary, the Puerto Ricans will never give up their US citizenship so free association is now effectively ruled out since it has been confirmed they would lose it. Most people who support free association did so because the politicians who support the idea have claimed that they would be able to keep US citizenship via a treaty which Sen. Wyden has now ruled out.

The "free access" is somewhat misleading. For example, since 2009 persons from the Pacific compact nations have needed to obtain visas in order to enter the US. Also the Compact is temporary ... Congress has already stated that when the current compacts expire that's it - they are either screwed or they have to apply to become US territories and surrender their sovereignty.
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Would spanish still be the main language of society, the government, and public education in the far future (50-100 years and beyond)?

Santorum: English Before Statehood
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