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Old 09-08-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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What folks in Puerto Rico and the US quite don't understand is that voting for statehood is not like picking a Miss Universe contestant.

It's not whether the majority picks this or that status choice, its whether it works within the best interests of the United States, and it also has to fit into the conception of REAL POLITIKS.

Best interests? , REAL POLITIKS?

Hawaii was declared an " Incorporated Territory", territories in line for future statehood, in 1895. On the other hand Puerto Rico was never INCORPORATED, thus creating a BIG PROBLEM for us, leaving us in an eternal limbo, a colony.

In fact Supreme Court cases ( the insular cases) have declared over and over again that the American citizens of Puerto Rico weren't like those in the other states, see Balzac Vs. Puerto Rico, 1923. Puerto Rico belonged to the U.S. but we were not part of the U.S. Go figure. Yes this can change, however there are more things that make Americans fear us as a state than letting us go.

Statehood growth:

What most mainlanders have ignored is that the statehood movement on the island has grown by leaps and bounds, not because Puerto Ricans want to become a Hawaii, but because, the poor which is the majority, have been promised to be taken care of for all eternity by handouts, welfare, disability payments etc. etc. They've been taught to fear independence and will fight tooth and nail against it.

Why?

Roughly, 60% of the island depends on welfare and most of these recipients are 100% pro-statehood. Another large group depends on SSI disability payments, or have lucrative pensions from the armed forces. Adding to this bunch are the 200,000 Dominicans who live legally or illegally on the island. As soon as they become citizens they vote statehood.

Finally most of the political big wigs owe their jobs to the colony a.k.a. the U.S. connection. Many are corrupt and live very well, so why go against their best interests? Obama-care will also swell pro-statehood numbers even more. Imagine, even the Puerto Rico medical association is 100% for the Obama care package. In contrast their colleagues in the United States don't want it. MMMMMMM is it our welfare mentality?

Think, who in their right mind is willing to cut off the goose that lays the golden eggs? Certainly not the majority of Puerto Ricans.

But where does the other party involved in this mess stand on this? "Nobody knows".

Congress has never been on record saying that statehood is an option. Nevertheless presidential lame ducks and Individual congressmen have, but of course those in this last group back statehood to loosen the purse strings of island contributors like The Fonalledas. Once the statehood backers in Congress get their $$$$$$, no more is heard about statehood until the next election round.

Why is statehood a problem for Congress?

Because as a state Puerto Rico, different from Hawaii and Alaska, is overpopulated with folks who function like they live in a foreign nation, and the majority can't speak English, or don't care a hoot to speak it. However the PNP shtick is that we'll learn English as soon as statehood is granted, but nobody believes that. Why? During the first 50 years of American colonization English immersion was tried but it flopped, exacerbating nationalist feelings and violence.

So what makes the statehood movement grow?

The statehood movement has PROMISED Puerto Rico that it can be a "Spanish State", and on top of that receive "PARITY" with the other states, meaning that welfare payments will increase ten fold. That is called "LOS BENEFICIOS DE LA ESTADIDAD! "

What about paying U.S. taxes?

Because Puerto Rico will be the poorest state in the union "all taxes paid to Uncle Sam on April 15 will be RETURNED FULLY via INCOME TAX CREDITS. In other words, statehood is a lotto dream come true for Puerto Ricans and a rip off for hard working Americans who have to pay taxes even though they 're unemployed.

¿Y a quien le amarga un dulce? translation, "who thinks candy is bitter?

WAIT, It just gets better.

Because of population, Puerto Rico will have an congressional delegation LARGER THAN 26 English speaking states, some of which have been in the union since 1776!

Republicans in congress already fear that most Puerto Ricans will be Democrats, after all its the party that distributes welfare. On top of that some Republicans fear that a huge Hispanic delegation will begin fighting to make the U.S. a bilingual nation, forming coalitions with other Hispanics, Mexicans, Dominicans etc. and eventually bringing in the Blacks, thus creating a huge congressional block of poverty and angry folks demanding more welfare and affirmative action.

I could almost see Rush Limbaugh's face and hear the FOX news crowd when they become aware of this. LOL

BOTTOM LINE, Puerto Rico has not become a state simply because its not in the BEST INTERESTS of the United States. Congress will only face our status problem when Puerto Ricans put their "COJONES" in their place and corner Congress to take a stand and spell out the CONDITIONS they expect from us. Until then its a useless merry go round of "Dime y Diretes" , tit for tats, that lead no where but keep us entertained.

Unrest in the horizon:

We must also take into account that a dwindling white population, who perceives itself cornered, fears that a Puerto Rican state will be the beginning of transforming the nation into a Puerto Rican day parade 24/7.

I welcome a Statehood petition NOW to get this over with as soon as possible and get on with our lives.

I kinda bet the folks here that the outcome won't be statehood, even though the majority in Puerto Rico might eventually want it.

There will be NEGOTIATIONS. Why? Americans are practical and aren't fools like most statehooders think they are.
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Old 09-08-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:00 AM
 
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Clip always repeats himself with conspiracy theories and fantasies that even him doesn't believe.....LMAO!

The reason Puerto Rico is NOT a state has nothing to do with congress. It has do that the forces and the establishment IN PUERTO RICO don't want statehood and keep the population dumb and uninformed.



Clip has yet to explain how will his theory will bring his Banana Republica to Puerto Rico. He always bashes statehood but as yet to discuss the plan to bring independence for P.R. He always sounds like a :


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Old 09-08-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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The main obstacle to statehood is not Congress, it's these people:

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You know, the COLONIAL ELITE. They have names like Alejandro Garcia Padilla, Rafael Hernandez Colon/Jose Alfredo/Juan Eugenio, Jose Pablo, Sila Maria Calderon, Roberto Prats, Hector & Eduardo Ferrer, etc
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Old 09-08-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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if congress passes a statehood act for Puerto Rico today it would never get over 50% approval in Puerto Rico because the PPD and PIP would join forces and kill it and make congress look foolish.


the problem with soberanistas like Clip is they don't understand how a territory becomes a state and the long process and democracy is a huge part of the process. The new state constitution can't pass without a majority in a territory.

the problem is in Puerto Rico not in congress.
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Old 09-08-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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if congress passes a statehood act for Puerto Rico today it would never get over 50% approval in Puerto Rico because the PPD and PIP would join forces and kill it and make congress look foolish.


the problem with soberanistas like Clip is they don't understand how a territory becomes a state and the long process and democracy is a huge part of the process. The new state constitution can't pass without a majority in a territory.

the problem is in Puerto Rico not in congress.
There was a poll conducted by Suffolk University and Turabo University that indicated up to 70% of island voters - including over half (53%) of Populares - would vote for statehood if it were offered by Congress.

Suffolk University - Poll: Puerto Rican Voters Want to Join U.S. as 51st State
http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUP...ico_tables.pdf
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Old 09-08-2013, 03:36 PM
 
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AGAIN?! There should be a limit to 100 posts about statehood/language per month.

I bet you do not even live in PR! Where do you live, NJ????

Your arguments do not even make sense. Someone is always the poorest state in the union and receiving the most aid. Armed service pensions are earned benefits that can be received anywhere in the world- they are not welfare.
The US gov't will do what is in its best interests????? DUH , thanks for the newsflash
Just stop already

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Old 09-08-2013, 04:54 PM
 
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Sometimes I find it a bite sad that folks actually think that the tiny island has a say as to when it will become a state. Like an old school republican congressmen said once, we have no need for an island with over 3+ million poor Hispanics. The US of A is only interested in whats best for them ONLY! PR has nothing to offer them, and we all know this.

I know many will try to spin this, but at the end of the day, I only speak the truth.
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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[quote=chikooeste;31326565]AGAIN?! There should be a limit to 100 posts about statehood/language per month.

I bet you do not even live in PR! Where do you live, NJ????




Vivo en Puerto Rico, Y tu?
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Old 09-09-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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There was a poll conducted by Suffolk University and Turabo University that indicated up to 70% of island voters - including over half (53%) of Populares - would vote for statehood if it were offered by Congress.

Suffolk University - Poll: Puerto Rican Voters Want to Join U.S. as 51st State
www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/2013_04_10_puerto_rico_tables.pdf
So maybe that IS the problem, for them , not us.

So if this info is public knowledge wouldn't it be logical for Congress to start the ball rolling and finally make us into 100% Americans? We ARE ready, as the recent plebiscite has proven, but WAS IGNORED IN WASHINGTON. Why?

However, the powers that be, those who really run the U.S., have figured out that Puerto Rico is a territory like no other, not a territory of a couple indian tribes or immigrants willing to assimilate and become real Americanos, but a territory with a national self awareness apart from Americans. That's "LA PAPA CALIENTE!" They don't have experience with this sort of creature.

When Congress spells out what it requires from us, then we will see who really wants statehood.

I bet others will come in here and say that this is a cop out, like if their positions aren't. The problem is that they never encounter other positions on this board and instead of discussion of points they dismiss arguments as repetitions from leftists, soveranistas, communists, liberals and conspiricy whackos. All this name calling is typical of Fox News, Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz' repertoire. LOL


Until then, lets keep entertaining ourselves with this "dime y direte" it's fun. LOL
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