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Old 11-17-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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Ive been hearing lots of talk of Puerto Rico becoming a state. Now, Im from St. Croix, and I just wanted to know, whether Puerto Rico, the neighboring US territory, becomes a US state, or an independent nation, will this have an significant effect on life in the Virgin Islands?
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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Not much would change, the USVI is very different in terms of language, culture, politics, and there seems to be little desire for either statehood or independence. Most people in the USVI seem content with remaining a US territory perhaps with slightly more autonomy as proposed by the ICM.

That being said I don't see a change in status for Puerto Rico as long as the Partido Popular Democratico (aka "the Populares") remains in power. Maybe if the statehooders retake the government in the 2016 election but not before then. The Populares will torpedo any attempts by Congress to resolve the status issue. According to them the 2012 status referendum was "rigged" and "unfair".
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:17 PM
 
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USVI has a population of under 107,000 people.....not even 1/3 of 1 million. They are better off as a territory until the population grows.

Puerto Rico will remain a territory until the low information voters stop being a majority.
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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USVI has a population of under 107,000 people.....not even 1/3 of 1 million. They are better off as a territory until the population grows.

Puerto Rico will remain a territory until the low information voters stop being a majority.

The fact is that Puerto Rico has more population than all U.S. territories combined ( USVI, Northern Mariana's, American Samoa, Guam and Johnson Islands) . It has more population than 60% of U.S. states. The San Juan metro area alone has more population than Washington DC, and 47 state capitals.

There was talk sometime ago that if Puerto Rico were ever admitted as a state the Virgin Islands would be integrated in some form or another to form a strange Caribbean state but the population and cultural issues were problematic and I never heard of this again. Nonetheless St. Croix is populated to a great extent by Puerto Rican decedents, but most don't speak Spanish anynore.

The population issue is still an up hill battle because both the USVI and Puerto Rico are considered non-white, and despite the U.S. having a Black president, the overall racial situation has gotten tense, not better.

The problem seems to be that large portions of the American nation accepts non-White-Black people as entertainers and sports figures but not to lead them or much less to have a state with more political power than 26 existing white states.
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Old 11-18-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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The problem seems to be that large portions of the American nation accepts non-White-Black people as entertainers and sports figures but not to lead them or much less to have a state with more political power than 26 existing white states.





The problem with Puerto Rico taking the step for statehood is in Puerto Rico itself with the low information voters thinking the sky is going to fall if statehood comes and never get a majority to demand congress any changes and keep voting for the status quo.

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Old 11-18-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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the low information voters thinking the sky is going to fall if statehood comes and never get a majority to demand congress any changes and keep voting for the status quo.
Thanks to 60 years of brainwashing from the pro-colony party. I have always said that Munoz Marin pulled off the greatest scam in history. Bernie Madoff has nothing on him!

The Populares are the ultimate hypocrites who want it both ways ... lo mejor de dos mundos. Im still waiting for them to tell me how they plan on taking the colony to equality. Garcia Padilla can talk about the presidential vote ... well now he should enlighten us as to how you intend to convince 2/3 of the state legislatures to allow Puerto Rico the presidential vote via a constitutional amendment without giving up the Federal income tax exemption.

DC has the presidential vote ... but they had to agree to pay Federal income taxes in exchange.
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:18 PM
 
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DC is a different scenario. The constitution demands a district so the federal government can operate without being under the jurisdiction of a state or in conflict with state rights. DC was basically lands from Maryland and Virginia given to the federal government so they can have their federal district (city) to operate under the constitution and it would be unfair to grant senate and house powers to a city, those are reserve for states not cities or federal districts.

PPD is a joke with the "ELA mejorado" myth and now with the presidential vote which doesn't mean anything without congress representation because that's were you get most changes done directly from congress not the WH.


Congress makes laws and approves the money, the President executes federal laws........presidential vote without congress representation is nothing for us. The best scenario is to have both but if I could have one, I take congress representation and that only comes with statehood.
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:14 AM
 
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Wasn't Barrack Hussein Obama was elected TWICE President by the majority of the American Nation?.....Isn't he black with nappy hair?


The problem with Puerto Rico taking the step for statehood is in Puerto Rico itself with the low information voters thinking the sky is going to fall if statehood comes and never get a majority to demand congress any changes and keep voting for the status quo.
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Read again, I said "LARGE PORTIONS OF AMERICANS, NOT ALL AMERICANS". Within these large portions there are many powerful folks who see that the nation is turning non-white. Why inject a state with so much political power? Because its the right and moral thing to do? Nations only follow their interests not those of a problematic colony.

About your folkloric statements about low information voters, you can apply that to anywhere. American voters , specially the Tea Party types aren't rocket scientists.

Finally, If the Populares disappeared tomorrow as if by magic, and Puerto Ricans requested statehood by a 100%, I bet you we would eventually be in the same place, a colony.

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Old 11-19-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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[quote=clip314;32293031].

Read again, I said "LARGE PORTIONS OF AMERICANS, NOT ALL AMERICANS". Within these large portions there are many powerful folks who see that the nation is turning non-white. Why inject a state with so much political power? Because its the right and moral thing to do? Nations only follow their interests not those of a problematic colony.

About your folkloric statements about low information voters, you can apply that to anywhere. American voters , specially the Tea Party types aren't rocket scientists.






1) We had this debate many times, if the best interest of the U.S. was to keep centralized power to a few states then we would have 13 states with 37 territories. There were territories that are states today that had a worse economy than the Puerto Rico of today. You are using the arguments of a minority but it doesn't surprise me since you are a Independentista/Popular and you are repeating the talking points to keep the status quo.






4) When was the last time or any time you saw a large group of Puerto Ricans protesting the government in the island for less MANTENGO and to cut government spending?......you will never see that, you see the opposite, they will protest and scream because they have the MANTENGO mentality and its a "right" for the government to take care of them for life. Those are the low information voters in Puerto Rico and they are the majority. They have more takers than producers, that's not happen yet in the U.S. but its getting there if some liberals get their way and give amnesty to 15 million poor, uneducated, unskilled illegal immigrants and open up south of the border.


5) I will take that bet, the Populares are the main obstacle for any change in Puerto Rico, that and the rich families in the island who want to hide their wealth in the Puerto Rican underground economy that knows if P.R. becomes a state they have to report their wealth and pay taxes to the I.R.S. and don't want to take a chance with a Republica because they know the PIP are full of socialists/marxists and don't trust them in power or with their money.

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Old 11-22-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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At this time the best interest of the island is probably to remain in it's current status. Becoming a state would require Puerto Rico to have English as the official language, which having lived there and spoken to many islanders I know they want to keep Spanish as the official language. They also don't want a lot of people stateside coming down there turning it into Hawaii where many native Hawaiians can't even afford to own a house.

The main problem the U.S. Congress would have with statehood is how much money the government would have to pour onto the island to upgrade the infrastructure to get it up to code - roads, water systems, etc. It would create a heck of a lot of jobs, however the island would be inundated with workers from the states coming down to do a lot of it. Congress would also be worried about potential violence by those who want independence for the island.

I don't know what the Commonwealth agreement states specifically as to length of time, but what I worry about is the U.S. breaking off the agreement at some point and not supporting the island financially as much as it does now. I don't see that happening anytime soon, but if and when it happens the people on the island will suffer greatly, at least the ones who rely on government financial help, housing and healthcare.

Seems Commonwealth status has worked out well for Puerto Ricans so far. Becoming a state would bring about changes that many there wouldn't like, and becoming independent would create great hardship.
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