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Old 08-21-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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I'm trying to say that a lot of Dominicans work in the service industry. In the towns of Loíza, Canóvanas, Río Grande, Fajardo, and Carolina you'll find a lot of black Puerto Ricans and few Dominicans. However, in San Juan, specially around the Santurce sector and in some neighborhoods in Río Piedras, it is pretty safe to say that black Dominicans outnumber black Puerto Ricans.
Interesting. Yes, as I said, I have been to Loiza, Carolina, etc. Also Santurce, where I thought there were lots of black PRs.

 
Old 08-21-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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I'm trying to say that a lot of Dominicans work in the service industry. In the towns of Loíza, Canóvanas, Río Grande, Fajardo, and Carolina you'll find a lot of black Puerto Ricans and few Dominicans. However, in San Juan, specially around the Santurce sector and in some neighborhoods in Río Piedras, it is pretty safe to say that black Dominicans outnumber black Puerto Ricans.
I believe there are Blacks from the Virgin Islands that go or moved to Puerto Rico as well and vice versa. Here's a guy originally from Santurce that had a mother from the Virgin Islands: Arturo Alfonso Schomburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Also, I wonder if Roberto Clemente's mother was also from the Virgin Islands considering that her last name was Walker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Clemente
So, maybe some of those supposed Dominicans are from the Virgin Islands too.

and some other people from Santurce's black community(or of obvious African descent): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossie_Ocasio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismael_Rivera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Santos_%28singer%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tite_Curet_Alonso
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tego_Calder%C3%B3n

So, there still seems to be a Black community there with original ties to Puerto Rico. Here's another person from Santurce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_del_Villard

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Old 08-21-2009, 02:28 PM
 
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Interesting. Yes, as I said, I have been to Loiza, Carolina, etc. Also Santurce, where I thought there were lots of black PRs.
There are. Just look at my previous post and this information: Santurce, San Juan, Puerto Rico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and some more good information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_h...in_Puerto_Rico
 
Old 08-21-2009, 03:18 PM
 
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Is Puerto Rico a racially integrated place? Or is like Mexico where the euro descendants dominate, and just make themselves rich by holding everyone else down.
lol talk about an UN-biased question!
 
Old 08-21-2009, 04:57 PM
 
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I believe there are Blacks from the Virgin Islands that go or moved to Puerto Rico as well and vice versa. Here's a guy originally from Santurce that had a mother from the Virgin Islands: Arturo Alfonso Schomburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Also, I wonder if Roberto Clemente's mother was also from the Virgin Islands considering that her last name was Walker: Roberto Clemente - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, maybe some of those supposed Dominicans are from the Virgin Islands too.

and some other people from Santurce's black community(or of obvious African descent): Ossie Ocasio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ismael Rivera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Daniel Santos (singer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tite Curet Alonso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tego Calderón - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, there still seems to be a Black community there with original ties to Puerto Rico. Here's another person from Santurce: Sylvia del Villard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, thanks.........the VI and PR have sort of the same relationship as Cuba, Haiti and Jamaica. Many Cubans have ancestors who come from Jamaica or Cuba, and many people in Haiti and Jamaica have ancestors who have gone back and forth between those islands and Cuba. Rita Marley (Jamaican origin, born in Cuba) and Teofilo Stevenson (son of a father from St. Lucia and a Cuban mother of Jamaican origin), for instance. People don't understand that there has been immigration and emigration between different Caribbean societies for centuries. Lots of people born in the VI whom you would just think were Puerto Rican, who speak Spanish - San Tomas (St. Thomas) has lots of them. And yes, Roberto Clemente's mom (Luisa Walker de Clemente) had VI origins.
 
Old 08-21-2009, 08:23 PM
 
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I believe there are Blacks from the Virgin Islands that go or moved to Puerto Rico as well and vice versa. Here's a guy originally from Santurce that had a mother from the Virgin Islands: Arturo Alfonso Schomburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Also, I wonder if Roberto Clemente's mother was also from the Virgin Islands considering that her last name was Walker: Roberto Clemente - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, maybe some of those supposed Dominicans are from the Virgin Islands too.

and some other people from Santurce's black community(or of obvious African descent): Ossie Ocasio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ismael Rivera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Daniel Santos (singer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tite Curet Alonso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tego Calderón - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, there still seems to be a Black community there with original ties to Puerto Rico. Here's another person from Santurce: Sylvia del Villard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Of the 8 Santurce born Puerto Rican that you mention here, 6 are dead and the other two don't live in Santurce anymore. While there are black Puerto Ricans living in Santurce, Dominicans vastly outnumber them, since freshly arrived immigrants from the Dominican Republic have settled there in great numbers.

The U.S. census puts the number of Dominicans in PR at 69,854 in 2006. However, according to the Dominican Republic consul in Puerto Rico, there are an estimated 200,000 Dominicans living in Puerto Rico, including illegal immigrants. From Unos 200,000 dominicanos residen en Puerto Rico, según cónsul :: CLAVE digital
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SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico.- El cónsul general de la República Dominicana en Puerto Rico, Máximo Taveras, cifró este lunes en 200,000 los residentes de su país en Puerto Rico, incluidos quienes permanecen en la isla caribeña de forma ilegal.
From Dominican immigration to Puerto Rico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Data from the 2000 census shows that 55% of this group lived in San Juan municipality, 11% in Carolina, and 7% in Bayamón.
 
Old 08-21-2009, 08:25 PM
 
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:49 PM
 
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Of the 8 Santurce born Puerto Rican that you mention here, 6 are dead and the other two don't live in Santurce anymore. While there are black Puerto Ricans living in Santurce, Dominicans vastly outnumber them, since freshly arrived immigrants from the Dominican Republic have settled there in great numbers.

The U.S. census puts the number of Dominicans in PR at 69,854 in 2006. However, according to the Dominican Republic consul in Puerto Rico, there are an estimated 200,000 Dominicans living in Puerto Rico, including illegal immigrants. From Unos 200,000 dominicanos residen en Puerto Rico, según cónsul :: CLAVE digital
From Dominican immigration to Puerto Rico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My point of showing those people are to show that the Black community goes back way before Dominican immigrants. So, I would think a good portion of the Black people there are "natives" of the island.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 07:00 PM
 
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Yes, thanks.........the VI and PR have sort of the same relationship as Cuba, Haiti and Jamaica. Many Cubans have ancestors who come from Jamaica or Cuba, and many people in Haiti and Jamaica have ancestors who have gone back and forth between those islands and Cuba. Rita Marley (Jamaican origin, born in Cuba) and Teofilo Stevenson (son of a father from St. Lucia and a Cuban mother of Jamaican origin), for instance. People don't understand that there has been immigration and emigration between different Caribbean societies for centuries. Lots of people born in the VI whom you would just think were Puerto Rican, who speak Spanish - San Tomas (St. Thomas) has lots of them. And yes, Roberto Clemente's mom (Luisa Walker de Clemente) had VI origins.
That's what I thought and you could even extend that to the North American mainland too. for instance, I believe Abe Lincoln wanted to sent Black Americans to the Dominican Republic and some I believe went there.

There are Blacks in Canada that came by way of the South and the Caribbean and have been there for several decades, if not centuries, in places like Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.

There are Blacks in Central American countries and Mexico with ties to Jamaica and Cuba, especially on the Caribbean coast. There are native Black populations there as well.

Heck, there are Cubans in African countries like Angola and Equatorial Guinea.

Anyway, this doesn't surprise me, as the islands are so close in proximity and the connection to the US for both VI and PR, makes even more sense.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 08:30 PM
 
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That's what I thought and you could even extend that to the North American mainland too. for instance, I believe Abe Lincoln wanted to sent Black Americans to the Dominican Republic and some I believe went there.
Yes, the vast majority went to Samana. There are still Dominicans who have been there for generations who speak an archaic English and have surnames that point to the American South.

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There are Blacks in Canada that came by way of the South and the Caribbean and have been there for several decades, if not centuries, in places like Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.
I had a friend from Halifax who had a strong pseudo-Jamaican accent, but who had never been there. He had never been outside Canada.

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There are Blacks in Central American countries and Mexico with ties to Jamaica and Cuba, especially on the Caribbean coast. There are native Black populations there as well.
Yup.

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Heck, there are Cubans in African countries like Angola and Equatorial Guinea.
Lots of the Fernandinos (people from Fernando Po, Equatorial Guinea) are descended from Cubans.
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