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Old 05-27-2016, 06:32 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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If a Referendum were indeed to take place (Which will not). Even if the 100% of Puerto Ricans vote Statehood in the island. Statehood is not going to happen. If the Pro Statehood try a Tenseness move they will be removed. At this point what Puerto ricans want is not a priority for the US economy. And what any Puerto rican have to say hold little relevance nor consequence at this point. It will be the same thing as the last referendum but now with a big uproar against it from the majority o the citizens of the US and most importantly the media.


Statehood is simply no longer even a remote option. Thoughts are free so you are free to still hope.
Ignorance About Puerto Rico a Continuing Problem - Puerto Rico Report
See YouGov poll. 50% of mainlanders polled support a unionist option, only 20% support independence, 30% don't care/undecided. I saw a poll of Iowa Republicans last fall and over 60% of those polled said they would either outright back statehood or they wouldent oppose it, and this was in IOWA. Much of the opposition to statehood revolves around finances ... and the Federal Control Board will fix much of that.

Not even the mos racist, Tea Party infested Congress in history could bring themselves to get rid of Puerto Rico
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Old 05-27-2016, 10:12 AM
 
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You don't seem to get it do you? I already said that the interest of any Puerto Ricans about Puerto Rico is no longer relevant nor it will hold much consequence about the outcome of what Puerto Rico will become in the future. I didn't say Independence is on the way. All I'm saying is Puerto Rico will be turned into something completely different of what Puerto Ricans think or want to. Again Statehood is not happening.
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Old 05-27-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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I do understand some puerto ricans might still be in denial thinking this whole situation is beneficial to a group of people but reality is All Puerto Ricans will lose a lot at the end. No Puerto Rican wins anything here. Better prepare yourself psychologically for what's to come if you think otherwise.
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Old 05-27-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: todo el mundo!!
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Puerto Ricans will one day have a say in SOMETHING.. i dont know one of the islanders who dont want PR to be a state, but it most likely will stay the way it is.
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Old 05-27-2016, 02:12 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Tragically it seems that PROMESA may be dead on arrival in the Senate where the Democrats seemingly have enough votes to block the bill
Democratic Legislators Vow to Block Promesa Bill – Caribbean Business

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Sen. Menendez revealed that the Democratic Senate minority’s second-in-command, Richard Durbin, has expressed concerns regarding the bill. Vermont senator and Democratic presidential pre-candidate Bernie Sanders has also said he’s against the bill, as has Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
Look I have repeatedly said that I don't really like the idea of the Federal government imposing it's will on Americans, but right now it is imperative that Puerto Rico obtain some sort of ability to restructure it's debts and PROMESA is the only way that is going to happen with the GOP in control of Congress. Secondly, government spending and the overall size of government needs to be reduced in Puerto Rico and many island politicians refuse to make those necessary tough decisions, so a Federal board is needed to make these changes that will put Puerto Rico on a more sustainable path. PROMESA does this as well.
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Old 05-28-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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The purpose of Promesa is act as a debt agency to make sure the Creditors get what they want out of Puerto Rico and do what the Private Sector can't cause la Promesa is Legally untouchable which means they can't be judged by their actions. Also, any Rican taking action against This group or even protesting against their decisions will be considered felony. Their purpose is to do the dirty work the creditors can't. That's all. They will only be here for about a year and a half after that, the debt will still be there and PR will be bombarded with law suits. This will render Statehood as a no go.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:53 AM
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i dont see everything you claim - for example, at least on paper, it says "Nothing in this Act shall be interpreted to restrict Puerto Rico’s right to determine its future political status"

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...bill/4900/text

however,

what does this part mean to you guys? does this lend support to taquito's craziest (sry, no offense meant Taquito) claim of the impending selling of PRs public lands?

NO FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE UNITED STATES.
(a) In General.—The full faith and credit of the United States is not pledged for the payment of any principal of or interest on any bond, note, or other obligation issued by the Oversight Board. The United States is not responsible or liable for the payment of any principal of or interest on any bond, note, or other obligation issued by the Oversight Board.

(b) Subject To Appropriations.—Any claim to which the United States is determined to be liable shall be subject to appropriations.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:54 AM
mym
 
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and wow - how did they come up with "Puerto Rico Oversight, Management, and Economic Stability Act" - PROMESA?

kinda feels insulting. but still an amazing job of acronymization
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Old 05-30-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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what does this part mean to you guys? does this lend support to taquito's craziest (sry, no offense meant Taquito) claim of the impending selling of PRs public lands?


Several Candidates have started to speak about the possibility of the US having a Plan to empty the Island to fill it with Millionaires. Which I've been predicting a looong time ago. They're just started to reveal it now. And they will speak even more before the elections. Just wait. They're going to keep the Status ball rolling cause they need to keep Puerto Ricans divided as much as they can, at least until the plan takes form. That's the piece of the stratagem.

You know what's really nuts? Thinking PR will become a State and the US will accept PR as a State under these circumstances. Never underestimate the US.

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Old 05-30-2016, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Philly
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Several Candidates have started to speak about the possibility of the US having a Plan to empty the Island to fill it with Millionaires. Which I've been predicting a looong time ago. They're just started to reveal it now. And they will speak even more before the elections. Just wait. They're going to keep the Status ball rolling cause they need to keep Puerto Ricans divided as much as they can, at least until the plan takes form. That's the piece of the stratagem.

You know what's really nuts? Thinking PR will become a State and the US will accept PR as a State under these circumstances. Never underestimate the US.
While you should never underestimate the us this is still pretty out there.
Do you actually think that no public assets should be sold off? It seems like you are trying to take advantage of the situation for your own political agenda

Is it wrong to layoff 3500 public employees?
http://cb.pr/debt-debate/

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