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Old 12-01-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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Well, no, not really. It is difficult to impart here. There is history going back to 1917 and the Navy takeover of the V.I. was a radical change. It was not nice. Things swung from generally, somewhat respectful Danish rule to U.S. Military rule, with some very racist people brought down for the "takeover". VI locals in general (but not all, because many of their roots extend to the DR, BVI, St. Lucia, etc.) also carry an unspoken disdain for all off-islanders. I have seen more condescension against downislanders than any other group in general. But there are also many, many, many fantastic locals with no agenda whatsoever other than getting along with everyone. With some, however, if you ain't "bahn hee," you're stealing someone's job and need to leave, but leave your money when you go. It also comes out in preferential government agency treatment from one person to the next, from the inspection lane to DLCA to IRB. I can understand that attitude carrying through generations even 100 years after the Navy takeover. Very interesting history if you can get to the truth of it.

Nobody has the answer. People are people, like the idiot you sat next to on the plane. No doubt. If the U.S. stepped out of the picture, the place would collapse. Who would be funding any of the hurricane cleanup? Certainly not the 110,000 or so residents of the V.I. Political chicanery is an accepted, traditional sport in the V.I.

One thing that is of concern lately is this new "tax bill" going through Congress. I haven't heard anything from the V.I. powers that be about it, but it will cut the hell out of V.I. income tax collections inasmuch as the IRB is a mirror system to the IRS and whatever rule changes congress makes will apply to V.I. taxpayers. At a time when they can ill afford it.
Speaker Paul Ryan has stated that the territories will be offered either an exemption or a declaration as domestics for tax purposes once the bill goes into conference to reconcile the House and Senate versions.
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Old 12-01-2017, 04:32 PM
 
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Nobody has the answer. People are people, like the idiot you sat next to on the plane. No doubt. If the U.S. stepped out of the picture, the place would collapse. Who would be funding any of the hurricane cleanup? Certainly not the 110,000 or so residents of the V.I. Political chicanery is an accepted, traditional sport in the V.I.

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Sadly that idiot mirrors the thinking of most white state siders who live in the USVI. Interestingly enough in Antigua she would be a nice p0erson as she would know that she was a guest and would behave accordingly. The BVI and Anguilla ensure that UK visitors are aware of this.


It is in the USVI and on the French side that this ugly side of the "state siders" or "metropoles" comes out. This because they think that they are in the USA (or France) and the locals are the immigrants who ought to conform to US (or French) standards. Hence the greater alienation that some like my Dominican (Republic) client reports when they encounter the locals in these places. He noted that Bahamians (not noted to be a friendly bunch in Nassau) were much more pleasant as one felt that they were proud of their country.

You know what is interesting is that Luis did as much damage to Antigua as it did to St Maarten, Georges did as much damage to St Kitts as it did to the USVI and PR. Yet it seemed as if the recovery in these small and poor independent islands was faster than in those non sovereign places which are "supposedly" helped by the large nations.


I went to St Kitts, St Thomas, and St Maarten in 1999. What shocked me was that St K was in better shape, despite being hit the year before than St Th and St M were despite being hit 3 years before St K was impacted.


I don't know how these independent islands do it but they just do. It wouldn't surprise me if even Dominica, one of the poorest Caribbean islands, and still recovering from a hurricane 2 years ago, in 5 years is no worse than these supposedly richer islands. "Rich" because they must grovel to people who don't respect them and who humiliate them for the slightest bit of help.


From what I can see the US connection gave PR and the USVI easy access to US muni markets, assisted these countries to become massively indebted. I don't think that anyone will claim that local government in either PR or the USVI are examples to the rest of the Caribbean. PREPA was a shambles before these hurricanes and its the indebtedness of PR which has contributed in a big way to the slow recovery. Hearing that a government, or a state agency is bankrupt isn't something that suppliers/creditors want to hear.


And yes the snotty attitude of many state siders towards these islands is enhanced by the notion that these "dumb natives cannot do anything unless we do it for them". I suspect if they went to Antigua they would have more manners. If they didn't they would soon find their way to the airport escorted by immigration officials who want to see their backs as they board a plane.
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Old 12-01-2017, 04:55 PM
 
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So basically the white man started the racism and yet you blame the blacks.
Lol. Sure, whatever you want to think. . I did enjoy how you went on a rant about a "white American girl" right after this sentence.


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If the U.S. stepped out of the picture, the place would collapse.
That's what they do not understand, yet they hold resentment towards stateside. If they want us to go away, let's cut the ties and see how long they last.

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You just want to argue with someone. Go argue wit a trushee.
Save yourself the headache by ignoring the blind bat.

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Sadly that idiot mirrors the thinking of most white state siders who live in the USVI.
Hey everyone! Remember my post about racism in STT? Remember how the responses denied it? Well, here you go. *raises cup* Cheers!
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Old 12-01-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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Lol. Sure, whatever you want to think. . I did enjoy how you went on a rant about a "white American girl" right after this sentence.




That's what they do not understand, yet they hold resentment towards stateside. If they want us to go away, let's cut the ties and see how long they last.



Save yourself the headache by ignoring the blind bat.

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Hey everyone! Remember my post about racism in STT? Remember how the responses denied it? Well, here you go. *raises cup* Cheers!
1. The girl was white and her views about the Virgin Islanders come right out of being white. Black Americans almost always have a more nuanced view of Virgin Islanders.


But I know that people like you always descend into hysterics when the racial attitudes and histories of the USA are discussed.


2. I see that in your view state siders must be allowed to behave like slave masters in how they treat he locals or react when angst when the locals react against it. They aren't asking you to leave. The merely suggest that you behave in their community the way that you would demand that they do if they moved to yours.

It is already suggested that many state siders who are polite and who want to integrate into VI life have fewer problems than those who refuse to.

13% of the USVI population are WHITE state siders, so how bad can life be for them if so many live there?
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Old 12-01-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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I see that in your view state siders must be allowed to behave like slave masters
Wow.

Yeah man, I'm all about being a top notch stateside slave master.

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Old 12-01-2017, 11:11 PM
 
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1. The girl was white and her views about the Virgin Islanders come right out of being white. Black Americans almost always have a more nuanced view of Virgin Islanders.


But I know that people like you always descend into hysterics when the racial attitudes and histories of the USA are discussed.


2. I see that in your view state siders must be allowed to behave like slave masters in how they treat he locals or react when angst when the locals react against it. They aren't asking you to leave. The merely suggest that you behave in their community the way that you would demand that they do if they moved to yours.

It is already suggested that many state siders who are polite and who want to integrate into VI life have fewer problems than those who refuse to.

13% of the USVI population are WHITE state siders, so how bad can life be for them if so many live there?
Exactly. There are plenty white state siders that come down, make the USVI permanent home and enjoy life here. They have no desire to call anywhere else home.

That poster’s poor attitude will easily invite the same from locals. Note how he was angry when someone spoke candidly about slavery in the territory.

You’re correct that most Black Americans have a more nuanced view of Virgin Islanders and I have yet to meet any with the kind of **** poor attitudes among some of the white counterparts. Moving to the VI requires an adjustment, of course, but they tend to be more respectful of the local community overall.
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:13 AM
 
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Sadly that idiot mirrors the thinking of most white state siders who live in the USVI. Interestingly enough in Antigua she would be a nice p0erson as she would know that she was a guest and would behave accordingly. The BVI and Anguilla ensure that UK visitors are aware of this.


It is in the USVI and on the French side that this ugly side of the "state siders" or "metropoles" comes out. This because they think that they are in the USA (or France) and the locals are the immigrants who ought to conform to US (or French) standards. Hence the greater alienation that some like my Dominican (Republic) client reports when they encounter the locals in these places. He noted that Bahamians (not noted to be a friendly bunch in Nassau) were much more pleasant as one felt that they were proud of their country.

You know what is interesting is that Luis did as much damage to Antigua as it did to St Maarten, Georges did as much damage to St Kitts as it did to the USVI and PR. Yet it seemed as if the recovery in these small and poor independent islands was faster than in those non sovereign places which are "supposedly" helped by the large nations.


I went to St Kitts, St Thomas, and St Maarten in 1999. What shocked me was that St K was in better shape, despite being hit the year before than St Th and St M were despite being hit 3 years before St K was impacted.


I don't know how these independent islands do it but they just do. It wouldn't surprise me if even Dominica, one of the poorest Caribbean islands, and still recovering from a hurricane 2 years ago, in 5 years is no worse than these supposedly richer islands. "Rich" because they must grovel to people who don't respect them and who humiliate them for the slightest bit of help.


From what I can see the US connection gave PR and the USVI easy access to US muni markets, assisted these countries to become massively indebted. I don't think that anyone will claim that local government in either PR or the USVI are examples to the rest of the Caribbean. PREPA was a shambles before these hurricanes and its the indebtedness of PR which has contributed in a big way to the slow recovery. Hearing that a government, or a state agency is bankrupt isn't something that suppliers/creditors want to hear.


And yes the snotty attitude of many state siders towards these islands is enhanced by the notion that these "dumb natives cannot do anything unless we do it for them". I suspect if they went to Antigua they would have more manners. If they didn't they would soon find their way to the airport escorted by immigration officials who want to see their backs as they board a plane.
Um, the French have been there as long as almost all the "locals." They cluster northside and Frenchtown, tend to get along with everyone and many are of mixed blood. Where do you get this crap? Certainly not from living off the Hull Bay Road. They are a somewhat "closed" community, but give the respect they get.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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Um, the French have been there as long as almost all the "locals." They cluster northside and Frenchtown, tend to get along with everyone and many are of mixed blood. Where do you get this crap? Certainly not from living off the Hull Bay Road. They are a somewhat "closed" community, but give the respect they get.
LOL. His post was referring to the French side of St. Martin but inadvertently deleted the territory name in the beginning. He goes on to compare St. Thomas and St. Martin to other islands. Not to mention the use of the term metropoles.

Are you familiar with the term metropoles? Did you read the entire post?

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Old 12-05-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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LOL. No. And really don't care any more.

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Old 12-05-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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SMH @ thinking French side and the metropoles had something to do with the Northside/Frenchtown of St. Thomas.

Unfortunate.

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