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Old 10-19-2017, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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You are from Alexandria, Virginia, I'm hoping you know the history of your state.


Is it on Wikipedia? lol
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Green Country
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^^^^^^ Jesus, here is another one that took a long time to bother to write nonsense and made it about Presidential voting. I was talking about state and local control governments. I NEVER stated that more Puerto Ricans go live in Republicans controlled states.

I said there is a large trend of Puerto Ricans moving to Republican-controlled states since 2000 because of jobs, low tax rates, easier to open up a business, better schools, low crime rate than to the big cities Puerto Ricans are used to going dating back in the 1920's like New York City, Bronx, Chicago, New Jersey. Now Puerto Ricans like to spread and consider other factors when moving other than being with other Puerto Ricans stuffed in a city.


The reason I brought up Texas was that Puerto Ricans in Texas more than doubled their population in 1 decade. It went from 69,504 to 177,448 in 2014 and by the time they do the 2020 census that number will be way higher. This happened because of jobs opportunities in Texas, another Republican State with NO STATE INCOME TAX just like Florida. Florida is another state that the Puerto Rican population grew dramatically from 2000 to 2017.

https://centropr.hunter.cuny.edu/sit...ntroReport.pdf


Where do you think the Puerto Ricans rich and famous and wealthy have their houses and use it as their main residence for tax purposes, in FLORIDA!!!! because they don't pay STATE INCOME TAX. Apart from the nice weather but money $$$$$ talks. They also have a SALES TAX of 6%.




According to the Census, there are approx. 1,855,912 Puerto Ricans living in Republican control states.

My point that you totally missed again, if the Republican Party is "bad" for Puerto Ricans like some state here, why almost 2 million (it will be by 2020) are living in Republican control states?


In the United States, there are 9 states with NO STATE INCOME TAX. 7 Republicans states, 1 Democrat State and 1 split state in Nevada. There are approx. 1,040,859 Puerto Ricans living in those 9 states.

1) Alaska
2) Florida
3) Texas
4) Nevada
5) South Dakota
6) Washington
7) Wyoming
8) Tennesse
9) New Hampshire

https://www.thebalance.com/states-wi...me-tax-3193345

the 10 lowest Tax rates for Business and lowest regulations to open up busineses. 8 The Republican States, 1 Democrat state, 1 split state in Nevada. Approx. 937,440 Puerto Rican living in those 10 states.

https://taxfoundation.org/publicatio...climate-index/
  1. Wyoming
  2. South Dakota
  3. Alaska
  4. Florida
  5. Nevada
  6. Montana
  7. New Hampshire
  8. Utah
  9. Indiana
  10. Oregon
Your argument is an absurd, specious argument. Puerto Ricans live in Red States so they must love Republicans!!!11!! What kind of elementary analysis is that?

As you note: "if the Republican Party is "bad" for Puerto Ricans like some state here, why almost 2 million (it will be by 2020) are living in Republican control states?"

Conversely, if the Democratic Party is "bad" for Republicans then why do tens of millions of Republicans live in Blue States? It's a question I would expect from a 5th grader.

Why do Blue States have the wealthiest people? Why do Blue States have the highest per capita incomes and GDP gross state products? Why do Blue States have the bulk of billionaires? By your logic, it's because they all love Democrats, right?

By your logic all of the Republicans who migrated into North Carolina from 2000-2010 must all love liberalism since the state was a Dem trifecta at the time.

Every immigrant into the U.S. from 2009-2011 must all love the Dems because Democrats controlled Government! Every immigrant into the U.S. from 2014-2017 must all love the Republicans because Republicans control Government! After all, why would they not move somewhere else?

That's your argument and it is shockingly simplistic. It relies on the idea that taxes is the prima facie most important issue on a person's mind. In reality, migration theory is pretty emphatic that the biggest determinant of where migrants settle is family and community bonds.

In the end, 9 of the 10 states with the largest Puerto Rican populations are in states that voted twice for Obama. That statement alone invalidates your last 20 posts crowing about how Puerto Ricans love regressive right-wing policy.
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Old 10-20-2017, 09:03 PM
 
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Your argument is an absurd, specious argument. Puerto Ricans live in Red States so they must love Republicans!!!11!! What kind of elementary analysis is that?

As you note: "if the Republican Party is "bad" for Puerto Ricans like some state here, why almost 2 million (it will be by 2020) are living in Republican control states?"

Conversely, if the Democratic Party is "bad" for Republicans then why do tens of millions of Republicans live in Blue States? It's a question I would expect from a 5th grader.

Why do Blue States have the wealthiest people? Why do Blue States have the highest per capita incomes and GDP gross state products? Why do Blue States have the bulk of billionaires? By your logic, it's because they all love Democrats, right?

By your logic all of the Republicans who migrated into North Carolina from 2000-2010 must all love liberalism since the state was a Dem trifecta at the time.

Every immigrant into the U.S. from 2009-2011 must all love the Dems because Democrats controlled Government! Every immigrant into the U.S. from 2014-2017 must all love the Republicans because Republicans control Government! After all, why would they not move somewhere else?

That's your argument and it is shockingly simplistic. It relies on the idea that taxes is the prima facie most important issue on a person's mind. In reality, migration theory is pretty emphatic that the biggest determinant of where migrants settle is family and community bonds.

In the end, 9 of the 10 states with the largest Puerto Rican populations are in states that voted twice for Obama. That statement alone invalidates your last 20 posts crowing about how Puerto Ricans love regressive right-wing policy.

all you had to say was Republican = BAD.......... Democrat =Good and save me the time......talk about a 5th grader argument.

what's your next novel argument? your Dad is better than my Dad, argument?
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Old 10-20-2017, 09:27 PM
 
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Here are the actual Top 10 states that Puerto Ricans living in the mainland U.S. moved to: https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...prodType=table

^^ That source is straight from the Census Bureau by the way. Or is the Census Bureau fake news now too?

actually, if you know how the federal government does the census, it's far from accurate and you look naive using it to make a point of basically: Republicans= BAD Democrats= Good

The U.S. Census Bureau uses two methods to count everyone. Questionnaires are mailed to every home in the country and census workers travel door-to-door in certain areas throughout the county. The goal is to count every person living in the United States, regardless of nationality, citizenship status, race, age, or gender.
Not everyone is counted during a census. Some people refuse to give their information to be counted. This can be for a variety of reasons. Some people don't want to give their confidential information to the government and many don't bother to fill them out. Other people, including undocumented immigrants, don't bother because of their status. There is no way to verify that the information given is accurate.





Not every Puerto Rican that comes to the states gets on welfare or fills out a census questionnaire when applying for government assistance especially when it's not mandatory.



I have been living in the U.S. since the 80's and I have never filled out a census questionnaire for racial quotas and I'm sure millions of people don't.




Maybe they do that in heavy democrat cities that you are used to, Democrats are heavy into racial quotas to push their big welfare state and identity politics but you don't speak for all Puerto Ricans.


try again......
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Old 10-21-2017, 01:11 AM
 
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I know it must be difficult to understand. Should we maybe use 4th grade arguments to make it easier on you?

who is "we"? what are you the backup act of the snowflakes here. I didn't know that bench was deep here.





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See you in San Juan or the 2020 census - whichever comes first.

hey, do you get a cookie when you fill out your census card. See you in San Juan?????? LOL
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Old 10-23-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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First of all, THE FACTS

1- Puerto Rico is in the middle of HURRICANE ALLEY. We’ve had these catastrafic hurricanes before. In fact San Felipe was a number 5 and devastated the island in 1928 leaving countless dead.

2- There is nothing we can do about Hurricanes. The most we can do is prepare for the next one.

The New York Times just had an article reporting how Cuba restored its electric grid in a week with out FEMA. They were hit hard by Irma, a category 5. They had been planning for decades, changing their energy sources away from petrol, something that Puerto Rico has refused to do because it’s very profitable to the ones who control the electric company and the government.

3- Yes there will be changes post Maria.

After Hurricane San Ciriaco in 1900, the U.S. bought agricultural land at bargain prices and set up sugar cane exploitation, destroying the old economy of coffee growers.


2- Hurricane San Felipe, with its Maria type destruction helped to foment nationalist sentiment because of slow Help from Washington. However Washington was not letting go of its colony because it was profitable for sugar growers, and it was becoming a geo-political necessity in a world of marine warfare.

The Second World War and the Cold War did the rest.

3- Today the colony is bankrupt, will soon demand full statehood in a world that is rapidly changing and suspicious of OTHERS coming in refusing to assimilate , but many wanting political power.

4- Yes Maria and it’s destruction has laid bare the massive poverty that existed beyond the gleaming skyscrapers , hi ways and hotels of San Juan.

Nonetheless many Puerto Ricans are convinced that Americans will come to the rescue like, the Lone Ranger to save the the natives that have been brought to believe to just wait and sit for Uncle Sam to save them.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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First of all, THE FACTS

1- Puerto Rico is in the middle of HURRICANE ALLEY. We’ve had these catastrafic hurricanes before. In fact San Felipe was a number 5 and devastated the island in 1928 leaving countless dead.

2- There is nothing we can do about Hurricanes. The most we can do is prepare for the next one.

The New York Times just had an article reporting how Cuba restored its electric grid in a week with out FEMA. They were hit hard by Irma, a category 5. They had been planning for decades, changing their energy sources away from petrol, something that Puerto Rico has refused to do because it’s very profitable to the ones who control the electric company and the government.

3- Yes there will be changes post Maria.

After Hurricane San Ciriaco in 1900, the U.S. bought agricultural land at bargain prices and set up sugar cane exploitation, destroying the old economy of coffee growers.


2- Hurricane San Felipe, with its Maria type destruction helped to foment nationalist sentiment because of slow Help from Washington. However Washington was not letting go of its colony because it was profitable for sugar growers, and it was becoming a geo-political necessity in a world of marine warfare.

The Second World War and the Cold War did the rest.

3- Today the colony is bankrupt, will soon demand full statehood in a world that is rapidly changing and suspicious of OTHERS coming in refusing to assimilate , but many wanting political power.

4- Yes Maria and it’s destruction has laid bare the massive poverty that existed beyond the gleaming skyscrapers , hi ways and hotels of San Juan.

Nonetheless many Puerto Ricans are convinced that Americans will come to the rescue like, the Lone Ranger to save the the natives that have been brought to believe to just wait and sit for Uncle Sam to save them.
How much help did your beloved Cuba and Venezuela send? Oh yeah, that's right ... NONE. Even when they had a 10 day window of opportunity to do so.

BTW if statehood is so bad why are you living in a state? Brooklyn is in the STATE of New York ...
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Old 10-24-2017, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Philly
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First of all, THE FACTS
1- Puerto Rico is in the middle of HURRICANE ALLEY. We’ve had these catastrafic hurricanes before. In fact San Felipe was a number 5 and devastated the island in 1928 leaving countless dead.

2- There is nothing we can do about Hurricanes. The most we can do is prepare for the next one.
this much is true, although Maria was a mere two mph shy of being cat 5 and still had gusts of over 200 mph which makes it most similar to san felipe (the most powerful hurricane on record for PR)> Hurricanes are a regularity, ones of this magnitude are not but they do happen.
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The New York Times just had an article reporting how Cuba restored its electric grid in a week with out FEMA. They were hit hard by Irma, a category 5. They had been planning for decades, changing their energy sources away from petrol, something that Puerto Rico has refused to do because it’s very profitable to the ones who control the electric company and the government.
could you post that article? First of all, was Irma in Cuba all that different from Irma in PR? the other point seems dubious as cuba has been reliant on oil from outside powers (Venezuela) for a long time. third, PR could not afford to shift away from oil when it was busy servicing debt and providing free power to municipalities. I'm not sure the reliance on oil had anything to do with profit (natural gas, the cheapest source, is abundant on the mainland).
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The Cuban Government has been trying to improve the country’s dilapidated energy infrastructure for some time, but with little capital to invest this effort has mostly been focused on curbing energy use...For electricity generation Cuba largely relies on cheap oil from neighbouring Venezuela
Cuba is open for business: but can its energy infrastructure withstand the pressure? - Power Technology

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3- Yes there will be changes post Maria.

After Hurricane San Ciriaco in 1900, the U.S. bought agricultural land at bargain prices and set up sugar cane exploitation, destroying the old economy of coffee growers.
huh, I had read that hurricanes slowy eroded the infrastructure and since the americans didn't value coffee (and alter the island government), they were never repaired and improved. if I'm not mistaken, and I'm no farmer, but coffee is grown in the moutainous region while sugar is grown closer to the cost meaning the agricultural lands would be completely seprate, buying up sugar plantations (which had been in existence since 1523) would not have affected the prime coffee growing regions of the island. is that wrong?
an.

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Nonetheless many Puerto Ricans are convinced that Americans will come to the rescue like, the Lone Ranger to save the the natives that have been brought to believe to just wait and sit for Uncle Sam to save them.
the folks in louisiana could tell them not to wait.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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News of how well Cuba is doing, both pre and post hurricane is nothing more than propaganda released by the Cuban government. Important to gather information independent from government sources when dealing with dictatorships... like the Castro regime and Venezuela's Maduro regime... and the Trump administration. (half laugh)

Even FEMA has been releasing overly "rosy" news and stats about Puerto Rico.
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Old 10-24-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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As is the Tourist Industry.^
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