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Old 06-23-2018, 12:29 AM
miu
 
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sounds like a way forward for the country, break it up! lol.
each year that passes by the US slips further into debt slavery and it isn't because of PR.
Agreed!! And that's why the US can't afford to fix Puerto Rico or make it into a state.
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Old 06-23-2018, 12:39 AM
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^ Roger That
The 65th Regt.( Borinqueneers ) was one of the 10 highest decorated units in the Korean Conflict.
The Korean conflict ended in 1953, and that was 65 years ago and a whole prior generation of people. What of the current Puerto Ricans and their record in the US military?

From what I read of C-D posts from current PR residents, it's all about fun in the sun on the PR beaches and making noise... so the PR people know how to play. What other talents do they currently have? Where are the PR engineers, architects and tradespeople rebuilding their island?
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Old 06-23-2018, 11:07 AM
 
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miu... "What of the current Puerto Ricans and their record in the US military?".

How did you miss the stats given a few posts back ?
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Old 06-25-2018, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Boydton, VA
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Thanks for that link....
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Old 06-25-2018, 09:42 AM
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miu... "What of the current Puerto Ricans and their record in the US military?".

How did you miss the stats given a few posts back ?
Yes. And that was 65 years ago. What about NOW?
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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Yes. And that was 65 years ago. What about NOW?
https://www.defense.gov/News/Article...itary-history/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...g-away-n764676

There are currently 35,000+ Puerto Ricans serving on active duty in the military. That's more than many states populated by "real Americans" as some call them.
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Old 06-25-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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"Yes. And that was 65 years ago. What about NOW?" What was 65 years ago ? Korea ?

Vietnam was certainly more recent, as well as the Iraq/Afghanistan/Middle East/North Africa deployments....do the research, instead of asking "what about......".

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Old 06-26-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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Each one of the posters here is CONVINCED that votes will determine the century + status debate of Puerto Rico. I’m on record saying that the fate of Puerto Rico will be only determined by the political INTERESTS of the United States and not of ours.

Many Ricans SWEAR that if a plurality of Ricans vote for statehood, Congress has no other alternative but follow its democratic principles by which the nation was founded.

If the world of politics were PERFECT that is how the ball bounces. However it’s been more than a century that we’ve be given a statuary citizenship and there hasn’t been a peep from the circles of power. Once in a while we hear a Congress man or Rep saying they back statehood, but once they fill their pockets with campaign money they are never heard from again.

Hardly anyone , in what is identified by most Americans as the most democratic nation on the face of this planet, has cared that 3.8 million of its citizens have no rights to participate fully in the nation that rules them.

Many will prefer to say, “ Its the Puerto Rican’s who can’t decide”. However that’s a very simplistic excuse to skirt democratic PRINCIPLES, and continue to kick the can down the road.

Not even the ACLU has taken up our case of a lack of political rights. The blacks had to burn down a couple of cities before they were given some decent rights but still they aren’t considered full citizens. They are just tolerated.

Believe it or not, THE CIRCLES OF AMERICAN POWER hasn’t seen a necessity in bringing a Latin American country or territory, take your pick, into the fold. By 1898 they figured out we weren’t a Hawaii, which was incorporated in 1900. Although a strange citizenship was granted in 1917, the So called insular cases determined that citizenship did not mean a path to statehood.

The United States, and to a certain extent the local political elites of the island, got all they wanted from the colonial relationship as it is. Now that globalization has strangled the colony economically , the colonials want statehood. It'll be a Spanish speaking state with all the welfare goodies paid for by the Federal government and american taxpayers.

Because of the 120 odd years of being a colony, Puerto Ricans have never developed the skills to manage an independent country. Most Puerto Ricans have never learned to swim with sharks. However I don’t think that is any concern of Americans who just wish this problem disappeared.

As the Western world, including White america, is obsessionally concerned about being swamped by OTHERS of different language and culture, along comes a colonial appendage of the United States demanding equal rights and POLITICAL RIGHTS denied.
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Old 06-26-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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Each one of the posters here is CONVINCED that votes will determine the century + status debate of Puerto Rico. I’m on record saying that the fate of Puerto Rico will be only determined by the political INTERESTS of the United States and not of ours.

Many Ricans SWEAR that if a plurality of Ricans vote for statehood, Congress has no other alternative but follow its democratic principles by which the nation was founded.

If the world of politics were PERFECT that is how the ball bounces. However it’s been more than a century that we’ve be given a statuary citizenship and there hasn’t been a peep from the circles of power. Once in a while we hear a Congress man or Rep saying they back statehood, but once they fill their pockets with campaign money they are never heard from again.

Hardly anyone , in what is identified by most Americans as the most democratic nation on the face of this planet, has cared that 3.8 million of its citizens have no rights to participate fully in the nation that rules them.

Many will prefer to say, “ Its the Puerto Rican’s who can’t decide”. However that’s a very simplistic excuse to skirt democratic PRINCIPLES, and continue to kick the can down the road.

Not even the ACLU has taken up our case of a lack of political rights. The blacks had to burn down a couple of cities before they were given some decent rights but still they aren’t considered full citizens. They are just tolerated.

Believe it or not, THE CIRCLES OF AMERICAN POWER hasn’t seen a necessity in bringing a Latin American country or territory, take your pick, into the fold. By 1898 they figured out we weren’t a Hawaii, which was incorporated in 1900. Although a strange citizenship was granted in 1917, the So called insular cases determined that citizenship did not mean a path to statehood.

The United States, and to a certain extent the local political elites of the island, got all they wanted from the colonial relationship as it is. Now that globalization has strangled the colony economically , the colonials want statehood. It'll be a Spanish speaking state with all the welfare goodies paid for by the Federal government and american taxpayers.

Because of the 120 odd years of being a colony, Puerto Ricans have never developed the skills to manage an independent country. Most Puerto Ricans have never learned to swim with sharks. However I don’t think that is any concern of Americans who just wish this problem disappeared.

As the Western world, including White america, is obsessionally concerned about being swamped by OTHERS of different language and culture, along comes a colonial appendage of the United States demanding equal rights and POLITICAL RIGHTS denied.
Like all independenistas your about 50 years behind the times.

Americans More Receptive to Puerto Rico as a State Than D.C. - Rasmussen Reports®
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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 47% of American Adults now think the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico should become a state, up from 40% in March and 33% in July 2015, just after the news broke of the U.S. territory’s debt crisis. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree and say Puerto Rico should not be a state, but 19% are not sure. Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens since 1917.
The American people seem to disagree with you. I understand this is painful for you to hear but Hurricane Maria changed the fortunes of the statehood movement. Views regarding the status issue among mainland Americans have changed dramatically in the past few years.

I should also note that Rasmussen tends to oversample Republicans ... the people most likely to oppose statehood and even then they could only get 1/3 of respondents to oppose.
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Old 06-26-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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Each one of the posters here is CONVINCED that votes will determine the century + status debate of Puerto Rico. I’m on record saying that the fate of Puerto Rico will be only determined by the political INTERESTS of the United States and not of ours.

Many Ricans SWEAR that if a plurality of Ricans vote for statehood, Congress has no other alternative but follow its democratic principles by which the nation was founded.



Not even the ACLU has taken up our case of a lack of political rights. The blacks had to burn down a couple of cities before they were given some decent rights but still they aren’t considered full citizens. They are just tolerated.
Are blacks not considered full citizens? LOL.......is that you Al Sharpton? ......for college and government jobs is better to be black than white today. Asians have it worst when it comes to that but I don't hear them play the violin and play the victim card and they do better financially and on the education level than any other group including "whites" (whatever that means) . Is all about cultures but that's another topic.


Puerto Rico has NEVER had a strong statehood movement, it has never been a majority. Hawaii always had a strong statehood movement since they kicked out the Queen from power. To expect that statehood will fall out of the sky is being naive. The island has always been divided politically and when Puerto Rico had the opportunity in the 40's and 50's after WW 2 and during the Cold War to push for statehood, the political forces and the elites and corporations in the island pushed for the Commonwealth they have now which is hard to get rid of. Go thank Luis Munoz Marin and Jesus T Pinero and the rest of the "geniuses" for that. Actions has consequences and Puerto Rico is living it now for the actions in the 40's and 50's.

Any change to Puerto Rico a democratic referendum has to take place to validate any change. That's how the U.S. works and Congress negotiates and moves. Since Puerto Rico is politically divided then the status quo wins. That's good for the elites and corporations in the island. Believe it or not, they control the political climate and media and public opinion in the island. Puerto Rico will NEVER be a state if those forces on the island want to keep and fight for the status quo.

You are an independentista and you live in this fanstasy and false hope that the U.S. will get tired of Puerto Rico and force independence on 3.4 million U.S. Citizens and strip their citizenship. You talk this way because you know damn well your side can't win a democratic election by a majority so your side plays down any democratic referendum and pushes a false hope.

Your side can't win 1 local election in any of the 78 municipios. Trump has a better chance to win public office in Puerto Rico than any independentista. Carmen Yulin has to pretend she is a PPD to be in power in San Juan (even though she doesn't believe in the commonwealth or statehood status) because anybody knows she could never win an election in the independence party......that's what happens when you put "INDEPENDENCE" next to the party logo. Puerto Ricans will reject anything with the word independence but you pretend Congress will just hand your side independence and give up the island just like that after 100 years investing and controlling the island and making all Puerto Ricans born in the island U.S. Citizens? LOL
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