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Old 10-13-2018, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ersatz View Post
1. Tibet
2. Lesotho
3. Swaziland
4. Curacao
5. Falklands
7. Greenland
8. Bermuda

Since Clip mentioned starters, there are lots more. Doesn't even get into the whole Tribal/Ethnic Peoples Nation if the definition is expanded to include Hellion's definition.

1- Tibet is a BUFFER STATE, between two atomic powers, India and China.
Geo- Politically letting Tibet go breaks all the rules of the bad luck of having to be a buffer state. China will never let Tibet go for obvious reasons.

2- Curacao is a type of free associated state of the Netherlands.

3- The Falkland Islands. These are mostly an UNINHABITED piece of real estate that was taken over by the Brits during their hey day of Empire. If Argentina would have played the game right, Britain would’ve returned them to their rightful owner a long time ago. Britain keeps them out of pride, not for any other reason. Chile might eventually take them over because there is a rise in the chilean population, making Argentines shudder.

3- Greenland is a mostly uninhabited chunk of ice that is gradually living up to its name due to global warming. Denmark will have to deal with its status as its population continues to grow.

4- Bermuda is a colony of contented and happy colonials, much like Puerto Ricans.

Don’t know much about the others.
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Old 12-12-2019, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by clip314 View Post
It’s obvious that the majority who come here to this forum are state side Ricans. They identify as being Puerto Rican mainly because they eat rice and beans, pasteles, alcapurrias, and dance salsa, better than any gringo or African American can.

Sad to say, but a great majority of state side Puerto Rican’s are barely educated, this being proven by a recent PEW study 2015, which found stateside Puerto Ricans as the poorest and least educated Hispanics in the United States.

Many stateside Ricans also acknowledge they don’t know much about Puerto Rico, but feel pride when they see a Puerto Rican flag flying during a Puerto Rican day parade.

Going to Puerto Rico appears to have lost its luster among stateside Ricans. Its less and less important because many families already live stateside, and why visit this run down island, as some here say it is, whose population disdains stateside Ricans.

Those who decide to visit San Juan try slumming it for a little while. They go to Piñones, a Black Puerto Rican area of poor folks. They go there to savor a bacalaito or alcapurria, then run back to the beach or the pool of their hotel or Airbnb to listen to their Regatón on their boom boxes. Few socialize with the natives.

Spanish is a foreign language to many, if not all, with many trying to speak it for the heck of it.

Many stateside Ricans are appalled when they hear other Puerto Ricans referring to themselves as a nation. “We are a territory, they say here, much like Tennessee or Wyoming were before they became States, there is no difference”. “ Its those anti-Americans who push this sovereignty thing into good Puerto Rican minds”
“ We are proud Americans they say, , not like the Québécois or Catalans which give their people a bad name.

Few or any of these pseudo Ricans know anything about Puerto Rican literature, painters, philosophers, historians, and how our identity gradually developed in the 19th century. To many we are expendible people, ready for asimilation, ready to disappear, much like native Americans or African Americans. We are good for entertainment or sports, but not much else.

Many folks in this forum think, sincerely, we are a people who are duped by some radicals who want to maintain their distinctiveness and separateness from the glories and exceptionalism of the american people. To them this only retards our acceptance within the United States.

That is the extent of what being a Puerto Rican is to many stateside Ricans. Its superficial. ,
Its to dance well and consume bacalaitos Fritos and eat rice and beans, not much more.

Is this an exaggeration and a diatribe of an island Puerto Rican who is angry and trying to establish a difference between the glorious and exceptional Americans?

It can be looked at in this way.

Finally, and sad to say , Regular Puerto Rican’s on the island tolerate , but don’t swallow stateside Ricans. They find them pushy, not too sophisticated and some down right offensive when trying to push their ghetto culture on to islanders.

Yes, there are TWO PUERTO RICOS, the one who feels they are a nation without sovereignty and the other in the states that is just a minority with very little political clout despite being full American citizens for more than a hundred years.

Hmm, interesting.

Reminds me of this flick.

I Like It Like That 1994 (longer trailer)

As you point out in the documentary, it’s not just Disney who gets her story wrong. This goes back to John Smith who marketed their relationship as a love story. What class and cultural factors have allowed that myth to persist?

That story that Pocahontas was head over heels in love with John Smith has lasted for many generations. He mentioned it himself in the Colonial period as you say. Then it died, but was born again after the revolution in the early 1800s when we were really looking for nationalist stories. Ever since then it's lived in one form or another, right up to the Disney movie and even today.

I think the reason it's been so popular—not among Native Americans, but among people of the dominant culture—is that it's very flattering to us. The idea is that this is a ‘good Indian.’ She admires the white man, admires Christianity, admires the culture, wants to have peace with these people, is willing to live with these people rather than her own people, marry him rather than one of her own. That whole idea makes people in white American culture feel good about our history. That we were not doing anything wrong to the Indians but really were helping them and the ‘good’ ones appreciated it.

Smithsonian: The true Story of Pocahontas
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Old 08-07-2020, 06:33 PM
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I know that I am super late to the party but I still would like to put my opinion on this matter.

The actual Puerto Ricans are quite right that us Americans of Puerto Rican descent are not Puerto Rican whether we accept it or not. There is nothing wrong with being an American, I don't understand this awkward embarrasment of being American. Seriously? You live in a developed country that has a lot of opportunities. You have people killing themselves to be American. Just stop and embrace who you are and look at your passport.

Now, my issue with the Puerto Ricans is that they have a racial undertone and superiority complex which I honestly don't understand where that is coming from. I have been going back and forth to Puerto Rico, and although Puerto Rico is part of the U.S., it's a third world country. Do not be mistaken. They may have an American passport, but the people, their ideology, and behaviour is very Latin American.

The way Puerto Ricans speak about themselves in contrast of Puerto Rican-Americans i.e. Nuyoricans, you would think Puerto Rico is like Monaco, Luxembourg, or Singapore or even Andorra. And believe me it's not. Graffiti, abandon homes or torn up homes (even before Hurricane Maria), and trash everywhere. Although I do love Puerto Rico but I cannot deny the fact that this island is POOR. Even though Puerto Ricans are generally nice (FYI: I don't trust nice people) they are not that educated. As much they want to blame the education system, they are equally the blame. And it's always the government fault with these people. Don't believe me? Ask any Puerto Rican, what book have they read? You will be shock!

Unfortunately, the Viveza Criolla mindset/culture lives in the heart of Puerto Ricans. Therefore, I don't see Puerto Rico ever improving.

Puerto Ricans love to say "Those Nuyoricans are more African-Americans than Puerto Ricans. They are so ghetto" Hmm, when I visited Orlando, I hate to say this but Puerto Ricans are very ghetto. You don't notice it on the island because it's mainly Puerto Ricans, therefore, you can't compare them to other people, but when the Puerto Rican started migrating to Orlando then you start to see the ghettoness of Puerto Ricans because now you have other group of people to compare them with. It's not that the Nuyoricans copy or behave like black Americans, Puerto Ricans have always been ghetto.

It's true. Look at the history of Puerto Rico, it has always been poor. There was/is a strong Jibaro identity which contribute to the ghettoness plus the Viveza Criolla mindset. Plus Spain did not send their best people to Puerto Rico. It was the poor ones from Andalucia or Canary Islands. Puerto Rico is not known to be classy or sophisticated.

This is not a bash or a rant. No, no, no, I love Puerto Rico. I tolerate Puerto Ricans as much as a I can, I neither hate nor love Puerto Ricans nor do I scream "Soy Boricua" because there is nothing to brag about. I just hope that some Puerto Ricans will take my criticism as a learning tool. I want us (Puerto Ricans and Puerto Rican-Americans) to advance as a group.
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Old 08-08-2020, 11:11 AM
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Location: Coastal Georgia
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I’m looking from the outside in.

I recently gained a daughter in law from Puerto Rico. She was educated at an international school, and a mainland college. Her siblings went to private school and college in PR. She loves PR and is proud of her Latin heritage (Spain). She lives in NC now, but visits PR a couple of times a year.

Her family’s roots are deep there and they would not consider leaving. They own real estate and have businesses. Her people avoid politics like the plague. I dont know if they would welcome statehood, or not. They are basically used to the way things are, which is corrupt and frustrating. But along with the corruption and frustration is freedom to operate the way everyone is used to, rather than transform their culture, according to the US govt. For example, the 78? political entities would become about 7. That leaves 71 mayors very unhappy.

While her family is prosperous, that didn’t help them after the hurricane, when you could only get $10. worth of fuel for the generators at a time, or when there were no supplies to buy. After months of “glamping” at home, her parents flew to NC for a precious shot of running water and electricity.

They KNOW the improvements that could come with statehood. The thing is I think WE know that the problems there, as well as the language barrier, are probably not worth the hassle.
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Old 08-09-2020, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aab7855 View Post
I don´t know if this holds as much weight as before. Most of my friends have left the island in the last five years, less due to the hurricane and more due economic hardships. They all used to deride the ¨cacos¨ who live in places like Kissimmee, Massachussetts and New Jersey/New York as being ¨fake, ghetto Puerto Ricans¨, making their argument more about a lack of class on the part of these communities than any political argument you seem to be making. I saw plenty of trash people who were born and raised on the island, there´s just been too much back and forth to make it an ¨us versus them¨ type argument. In the end, the Disapora has drawn all classes of people to the United States. You might be labeling ¨those¨ Stateside Puerto Ricans, but in the end, there´s no way 5 million+ of them are all like that. Schools like UPR Mayaguez graduate engineers who go work for NASA, don´t tell me they´re sellouts or are ghetto trash.

I don´t think one´s present location necessarily dictates what they should think politically. The PNP seems to get stronger every year, and the only pool of voters they have are people on the island, no? Being pro-independence and living outside the island isn´t being a hypocrite either. In the end, we often have make difficult decisions for our future, ones that will forever change the culture and mentality of our future families. One of my best friends in New Orleans is Afro-Honduran, and his parents simply didn´t teach him Spanish coming up, so he can´t speak it at all. He didn´t choose that, but he has to live with the consequences of it. People accusing him of being a vendepatria certainly do not help build his confidence to learn. My wife (Colombian) and I are trying to raise our daughter as bilingual and bicultural as possible, but in the end, one language and culture will dominate more than the other I´m sure. Certainly some will criticize...it sounds like many Puerto Ricans have to suffer this as well.


So very true.....
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