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Old 07-02-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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Now they want to be a state. But why would the US take this mess on as a state? It can't even manage it's own emergencies. It has to export its people and problems to other states for them to deal with it.
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Old 07-02-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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I think it's time to cut the rope and let PR be their own nation. Thus far, as a colony/territory, they've been a big failure.
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Old 07-02-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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NO!!! They are able-bodied American citizens and they should be working while in Florida, not lounging around in a hotel room watching Spanish language tele-novelas. Why do they need a stipend? Instead, they should be doing something productive every day. This should not be a paid vacation for them.

Unemployment rates are extremely low. And being Florida, there are plenty of jobs where their fellow employees would speak and understand Spanish.

And they should also be learning to speak English, since they are American citizens.
Hey guess what? Your tax dollars are already going towards other able-bodied individuals receiving cash-assistance permanently, Being that these people are already displaced and struggling to find employment a stipend would actually assist them with saving-up for rent deposit(s) etc. during the proposed 3-months.

I'm not attempting to use their lack of English as a handicap, Point i was making is that its already bad enough for the average American to find employment in some major cities; the odds would be stacked against these displaced individuals favor and i just don't believe 60-days is enough time to recover and get back on their feet.

If anything i think the better question here would be, Why not? Isn't our current president all about putting 'Americans first'? Puerto Rico is part of America like it or not, therefore why aren't PR citizens not being put 'first' when it comes to post-disaster assistance? You know that your tax-dollars also go towards something called 'Refugee Benefits' which basically assists refugees who are granted asylum in the US with Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA) which is a monthly stipend that is paid out to them & renewed every 8-months as long as they live in the US or until they're granted residency.

So essentially what you're saying is that its alright for non-Americans to receive PERMANENT assistance that is renewed every 8-months depending on their status but NOT our own people who are displaced? MERICA'
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Old 07-02-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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I think it's time to cut the rope and let PR be their own nation. Thus far, as a colony/territory, they've been a big failure.
I agree totally, If anything i feel that the US has held PR back for way too long. Puerto Rican's do not have a voice or say about their island really its all posturing. I feel that if PR was to be sold to ie; Spain or any other country for that matter, things would be somewhat different. However as it stands the US makes quite a bit of money off the island already so they rather not get rid of it just yet.
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Old 07-02-2018, 12:01 PM
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Hey guess what? Your tax dollars are already going towards other able-bodied individuals receiving cash-assistance permanently, Being that these people are already displaced and struggling to find employment a stipend would actually assist them with saving-up for rent deposit(s) etc. during the proposed 3-months.

I'm not attempting to use their lack of English as a handicap, Point i was making is that its already bad enough for the average American to find employment in some major cities; the odds would be stacked against these displaced individuals favor and i just don't believe 60-days is enough time to recover and get back on their feet.

If anything i think the better question here would be, Why not? Isn't our current president all about putting 'Americans first'? Puerto Rico is part of America like it or not, therefore why aren't PR citizens not being put 'first' when it comes to post-disaster assistance? You know that your tax-dollars also go towards something called 'Refugee Benefits' which basically assists refugees who are granted asylum in the US with Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA) which is a monthly stipend that is paid out to them & renewed every 8-months as long as they live in the US or until they're granted residency.

So essentially what you're saying is that its alright for non-Americans to receive PERMANENT assistance that is renewed every 8-months depending on their status but NOT our own people who are displaced? MERICA'
I don't believe in non-Americans getting this sort of assistance either.

AND... this sort of assistance isn't actually HELPING the Puerto Ricans either. It's a crutch that they don't want to let go of. It's the type of help that isn't going to help them return to Puerto Rico and have a productive life.

Either integrate them into life in the US mainland with jobs and a place to live, or send them back to PR. Living for free in a FL hotel is not the answer.
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Old 07-02-2018, 12:37 PM
 
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I agree totally, If anything i feel that the US has held PR back for way too long. Puerto Rican's do not have a voice or say about their island really its all posturing. I feel that if PR was to be sold to ie; Spain or any other country for that matter, things would be somewhat different. However as it stands the US makes quite a bit of money off the island already so they rather not get rid of it just yet.


LMAO!!! I hear crazy things like this when I was in Puerto Rico (by a loud minority) ...this is what we call low information voter.

So if Puerto Rico is sold to Spain, Puerto Rico will be better off? LOL........you really should take Puerto Rican history. The last time Spain owned P.R. for 400 years 85% of the population in the island were illiterate and live in extreme poverty in the mud and there was not a public education system, no universities, and no social safety nets.

Damn, I know some people don't like the Americans and the U.S. but at least they should know and admit that Puerto Rico was put on the map and became one of the most prosperous places in Latin America under the U.S. Flag. I don't see many Puerto Ricans giving up their U.S. Citizenship and wanting to be paid for their work, savings and investments with anything but the U.S. Dollar in their pockets.

$1 Dollar = 20.05 Mexican Peso
$1 Dollar= 49.46 Dominican Peso
$1 Dollar= 114,856 (Those Venezuelans are really screwed)
$1 Dollar= 567 Costa Rican Colon
$1 Dollar= 2,942.55 Colombian Peso

Guess how much the Puerto Rican peso would be worth if they were an independent Republic with their debt and very limited resources?. Those Latin Countries above have over 100 years headstart over Puerto Rico in the Republic business. You take a lot of things for granted.

One thing is to call out the devil and another thing is see the devil come. (old Puerto Rican saying for you, lol)
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Old 07-02-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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I think it's better they just stay a commonwealth. If they became statehood I don't know if they would pull their own weight. They seem to be so dependent on Florida to do things for them.

They've been a commonweath forever and maybe that's just fate, and how things are supposed to be.
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Old 07-02-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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Angry The Heart Has Stop Beating.....!!!!!

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The parents are US citizens. Why can't they find work in Florida and pay for an apartment? While they were on aid and living in free hotel rooms, the parents should have been working and saving up money for an apartment and their new life in Florida.

Of course, these families can't live forever in free hotel rooms paid for by FEMA or whatever emergency services department is paying for these lodgings.

Hurricane Maria was LAST year. Why don't these Puerto Ricans have a plan? Why are they so helpless?

Are people in MA and NH as heartless as you? We give aid to foreign countries galore, and we can barely take care of our own. These are AMERICAN CITIZENS, not people that have jumped a fence....or have stashed away in a banana boat......

These are women with little children, babies, who may have or not have husbands alive, in a foreign territory, and who may not even speak the language, with no family present, that can help them. More likely, they are farmers in the mountains, who have never been to a city, or maybe not even left the mountain they live, in itself. They need first to get acclimated to a city life, like Orlando, get to know the language, then to have an automobile.....one cannot live in Florida without it.....then they need babysitters to take care of the babies for 10 hours per day, including traveling time, and money for food, lunches, and gasoline, clothing, plus getting help finding an apartment, and a job making the minimum wage in Florida, of $8 plus per hour, I even doubt they can afford an apartment. Only Superwoman can accomplish a feat like that.

The main problem is the Florida mentality......almost every one is basking in the sun. God forbid one needs a dentist........you go there to one, and your lungs get removed......instead. Most of the paperwork to get these families in place, has not been readied or done at all. And all of a sudden, FEMA is at the front door, and nothing has been done to safeguard these families relocation process.


This country does more for all those people relocated here from foreign wars, than we do, when our people need help. It is a damn shame... .... It is in times like this, that I am ashamed to say I am an American.....

This country needs more Female Prosecutors, Activists, and Politicians to change the system.
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Old 07-02-2018, 02:20 PM
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We can't support these PR families by giving them free hotel rooms forever...

1. Spanish is a common language in Florida.
2. As American citizens, they should be trying to learn English and also encouraging their children to speak English.
3. And what are they doing while they live in these free hotel rooms? Why shouldn't they try to find work?
4. Childcare while they are working. Where are their husbands? The single moms can get together and share childcare duties as they work.

IMO people like YOU are not doing these PR families any favours by letting them loaf around in free hotel rooms forever. Living in limbo is no way to live.
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Old 07-02-2018, 02:25 PM
 
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Now they want to be a state. But why would the US take this mess on as a state? It can't even manage it's own emergencies. It has to export its people and problems to other states for them to deal with it.
Now, you are sounding like a real RACIST. When Florida have had emergencies, they have done everything by themselves? No outside help whatsoever? How about Louisiana, Texas, California, and the myriad of states that have floods, tornadoes, etc? They also do everything by themselves.....How often does Puerto Rico have had a disaster of the magnitude of Hurricane Maria? The San Felipe Hurricane was in 1928, killing 1,000 people...this is 2018.........
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