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Old 07-15-2018, 08:09 AM
 
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...hich-is-insane

The FEMA After Action report executive summary can be found at https://reliefweb.int/report/puerto-...-action-report. That site has a link to download a pdf of the entire report.
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:30 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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The generators were on loan, not a gift.

The three main reasons for FEMA's faliure in Puerto Rico is:

1. Resources were stretched extremely thin due to the needs of TX and FL because of hurricanes Harvey and Maria.

2. Puerto Rico's infrastructure was a mess and substandard to US mainland standards, a problem that has existed for many decades. Puerto Rico should have gotten its act together after the hurricane hit in 1998, but it didn't. And since 1998, PR's conditions have gotten worse. Their aging electric grid was falling apart, the island has gotten further in debt and their population has increased.

3. Most in PR don't own their dwellings in a formal way (a lack of deed property) and their homes were never up to US building code standards. Just look at this picture posted in the tweet by Denise Oliver-Velez@Deoliver47 in the article you posted! What is FEMA supposed to do with those shantytown quality structures? Give them new sheets of plywood and corrugated metal to rebuild them?
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Philly
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There were bigger failures than those three. Communication, not only did the wireless network get destroyed but FEMA had shipped the wrong sat phones. They under estimated, drastically, the difficulty in shipping goods. They had virtually nothing in stock, but even a single tarp.every major disaster that has occurred fema has been an abject disaster. They cannot be counted on except to cut checks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...6a7_story.html
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:56 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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There were bigger failures than those three. Communication, not only did the wireless network get destroyed but FEMA had shipped the wrong sat phones. They under estimated, drastically, the difficulty in shipping goods. They had virtually nothing in stock, but even a single tarp.every major disaster that has occurred fema has been an abject disaster. They cannot be counted on except to cut checks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...6a7_story.html
In all fairness, it was because everything was sent to the US Virgin Islands. There's only one FEMA warehouse for Puerto Rico and the USVI.

I do acknowledge that ever since Hurricane Katrina it's been obvious that disaster relief & emergency management need serious reforms. Sadly nothing has changed
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Old 07-15-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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This is what happens when the federal government is too big and too many bureaucrats......that has been always the Achilles heel of the U.S. federal government in modern times and you have liberals and Democrats who want to expand it a lot bigger and add for federal agencies. The same mentality of most politicians in P.R.........for every challenge or need they want to create more government and another government agency and fill it up with government contracts and government employees.
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Old 07-15-2018, 12:40 PM
 
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Didn't the PR borrow billions of dollars? If so it can use some of that money to buy the generators from FEMA. Problem solved.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:56 PM
 
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In all fairness, it was because everything was sent to the US Virgin Islands. There's only one FEMA warehouse for Puerto Rico and the USVI.

I do acknowledge that ever since Hurricane Katrina it's been obvious that disaster relief & emergency management need serious reforms. Sadly nothing has changed
it goes into the fact that the government won't actually give fema a budget to have supplies on hand just in case because then a lot is wasted. that said, if you're stock is empty in the middle of hurricane season you should have immediate replacement. unfortunately, a lot of the rules that are built to prevent fraud end up hampering the ability to respond quickly and effectively. in that sense FEMA will likely always be a failure for a disaster on the scale of Maria or Katrina. there's really only one game in town when you need the supplies, the labor to not only deliver them but also rebuild the infrastructure to get there, and set up emergency settlements and that is the military. no other organization can get paid to be there "just in case."
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:47 PM
 
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it goes into the fact that the government won't actually give fema a budget to have supplies on hand just in case because then a lot is wasted. that said, if you're stock is empty in the middle of hurricane season you should have immediate replacement. unfortunately, a lot of the rules that are built to prevent fraud end up hampering the ability to respond quickly and effectively. in that sense FEMA will likely always be a failure for a disaster on the scale of Maria or Katrina. there's really only one game in town when you need the supplies, the labor to not only deliver them but also rebuild the infrastructure to get there, and set up emergency settlements and that is the military. no other organization can get paid to be there "just in case."
^ another reason why downsizing the active duty military presence in Puerto Rico has had negative consequences. In comparison, the French and the Dutch have thousands of personnel, multiple naval vessels and aircraft permanently based in the Caribbean and they were able to respond much quicker. The French Navy had 7 ships in the Caribbean before the hurricanes even hit.

Then again, most military presence stateside is for training and R&R ... very few immediately deployable units are located in CONUS bases nowadays.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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^ another reason why downsizing the active duty military presence in Puerto Rico has had negative consequences.
PR shouldn't have kicked them out of Vieques then.

The only purpose I can see for US military there is to keep out illegals from the DR and other countries.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:21 AM
 
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PR shouldn't have kicked them out of Vieques then.

The only purpose I can see for US military there is to keep out illegals from the DR and other countries.
Why are there 2,000+ Dutch Marines, Navy, Air Force, and paramilitary police based in the Dutch Caribbean islands? Here's a hint: defense is only part of the reason.

There's a little thing called "Military Operations Other Than War".
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