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Old 07-21-2018, 07:40 AM
 
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^ this

Even if we somehow did force Puerto Rico to become independent a large portion (perhaps even the vast majority) of the population would pack up and move to the mainland. And then what? You'll still have to pay for them. Transfer payments to Florida or transfer payments to Puerto Rico ... what's the difference?
So you admit that they are just a burden. Good, I'm glad you are honest for once.
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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So you admit that they are just a burden. Good, I'm glad you are honest for once.
At the end of the day, everyone is a burden on someone else ... even you.
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:48 AM
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At the end of the day, everyone is a burden on someone else ... even you.
But especially those PR who are still living in free hotel rooms since last year, and still without jobs or a plan of action.

Came across news articles in the NYT and the Boston Globe from the last few years. Basically Hurricane Katrina broke FEMA and it's been running in the red since then. Then Hurricanes Harvey and Maria broke FEMA even further. And victims of Hurricane Sandy are still waiting for help, but some of those homeowners had their oceanfront properties bought by FEMA and they used the money to move further inland. Also, instead of letting people in known floodplains rebuild, there is a movement to stop throwing away billions of dollars to rebuild when it's known that they are vulnerable to repeat storm damages again.

So knowing how FEMA has been since Hurricane Katrina, how can Puerto Ricans sit back and expect FEMA to make their island whole and the same as before Hurricane Maria hit their island? How can they think that the US has the money to rebuild their electric grid and all of their shanty towns? Instead, their governor and the PR people need to get together and redesign their island in a way where the residences are multi unit apartment buildings that are hurricane proof and keep the population in more of an urban cluster where aid can get to them sooner. And anyone living in the remote and rural sections of the island will just have to know that help and aid will only come long after the urban areas are sorted out. So during hurricane season, the rural area people will just have to live closer to the urban areas.

But the Puerto Ricans have to initiate the redesign of their island, and they need to start doing that ASAP. And as it is, any Puerto Rican living in the US in a free hotel room, has to accept that it's time to find a place to live on the mainland AND get a job there.

Why waste the money on free hotel rooms, when all of that money could be going towards a permanent and real solution to the problems in Puerto Rico? It makes no financial sense to do that. When Katrina devastated New Orleans, those residents didn't get a year of free hotel rooms. Many left New Orleans and lived and worked elsewhere until they were able to return to their beloved city. And some didn't go back and put down roots elsewhere.

And if there is climate change going on and with more severe weather patterns in all parts of the world, and hurricane seasons becoming worse... Puerto Ricans need to adapt and become more accustomed to moving and living in the US mainland.

Global warming is another reason for not making Puerto Rico a state. And yet another reason for greatly limiting the number of immigrants and enabling illegal aliens and DACAs to the US. We need to take care of our own people first. Right?
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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hen it's known that they are vulnerable to repeat storm damages again.
out. So during hurricane season, the rural area people will just have to live closer to the urban areas.

But the Puerto Ricans have to initiate the redesign of their island, and they need to start doing that ASAP. And as it is, any Puerto Rican living in the US in a free hotel room, has to accept that it's time to find a place to live on the mainland AND get a job there.

Why waste the money on free hotel rooms, when all of that money could be going towards a permanent and real solution to the problems in Puerto Rico? It makes no financial sense to do that. When Katrina devastated New Orleans, those residents didn't get a year of free hotel rooms. Many left New Orleans and lived and worked elsewhere until they were able to return to their beloved city. And some didn't go back and put down roots elsewhere.

And if there is climate change going on and with more severe weather patterns in all parts of the world, and hurricane seasons becoming worse... Puerto Ricans need to adapt and become more accustomed to moving and living in the US mainland.

Global warming is another reason for not making Puerto Rico a state. And yet another reason for greatly limiting the number of immigrants and enabling illegal aliens and DACAs to the US. We need to take care of our own people first. Right?
They are calling themselves climate refugees now:

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/hurr...change-refugee

But if you believe in climate change, why move to Florida? It's no better than PR for that.
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Old 07-21-2018, 11:00 AM
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They are calling themselves climate refugees now:

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/hurr...change-refugee

But if you believe in climate change, why move to Florida? It's no better than PR for that.
True. But Florida is still better off than PR for a hurricane hit and there's more work available, plus there are a lot Spanish speaking people there. I suppose that they will all eventually move northward, maybe to Georgia and the Carolinas?
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Old 07-21-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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So you admit that they are just a burden. Good, I'm glad you are honest for once.



well you can say the same for the 45% of people in the 50 states that don't pay any federal income tax.


but let's start with the NON-Citizens.....are Europeans and Japan and South Korea a burden also? We are paying for most of their defense for 70 years.


is Israel also a burden? how about the rest of the countries we send aid and money?





if you are going to talk about burden , let's start with non-citizens and foreign countries.
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Old 07-21-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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well you can say the same for the 45% of people in the 50 states that don't pay any federal income tax.


but let's start with the NON-Citizens.....are Europeans and Japan and South Korea a burden also? We are paying for most of their defense for 70 years.


is Israel also a burden? how about the rest of the countries we send aid and money?





if you are going to talk about burden , let's start with non-citizens and foreign countries.
He doesn'tcare about that fact. He knows that Puerto Ricans are Spanish speaking brown people that he doesn't want in the country. This is the American colonial mindset. They want your taxes, your beaches, your beautiful women, but not when they look and sound different than themselves. The thought of it disgusts them. They do not like diversity nor realize the need for immigration in this country. Is the type to care about legal immigrants but will call Puerto Ricans illegal.
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Old 07-21-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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He doesn'tcare about that fact. He knows that Puerto Ricans are Spanish speaking brown people that he doesn't want in the country. This is the American colonial mindset. They want your taxes, your beaches, your beautiful women, but not when they look and sound different than themselves. The thought of it disgusts them. They do not like diversity nor realize the need for immigration in this country. Is the type to care about legal immigrants but will call Puerto Ricans illegal.
Exactly. While we cannot force PR to become a state, if I waa a high ranking government official, I’d make a trip to PR personally and ask what mainland can do for PR to win them over into joining us. Whatever we need to do to allow them to enjoy the full benefits of citizenship without making them sacrifice their unique culture. I’d even go as far as to propose to make Spanish a secondary official language since we have so many Spanish speakers in the US already. After all, Thomas Jefferson himself said the two most important languages to learn would be English and Spanish.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Exactly. While we cannot force PR to become a state, if I waa a high ranking government official, I’d make a trip to PR personally and ask what mainland can do for PR to win them over into joining us. Whatever we need to do to allow them to enjoy the full benefits of citizenship without making them sacrifice their unique culture. I’d even go as far as to propose to make Spanish a secondary official language since we have so many Spanish speakers in the US already. After all, Thomas Jefferson himself said the two most important languages to learn would be English and Spanish.
A certain demographic of Americans are in an uproar about "Spanish taking over America" and Mandarin is also a very important language to learn.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:34 PM
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He doesn'tcare about that fact. He knows that Puerto Ricans are Spanish speaking brown people that he doesn't want in the country. This is the American colonial mindset. They want your taxes, your beaches, your beautiful women, but not when they look and sound different than themselves. The thought of it disgusts them. They do not like diversity nor realize the need for immigration in this country. Is the type to care about legal immigrants but will call Puerto Ricans illegal.
Well speaking for myself, why would America want to make a Spanish speaking island into one of their states? One where part of their island is a tourist destination and the majority of it living in undeveloped conditions? Puerto Rico just doesn't have that much in common with the mainland states in terms of language preference, way of life, standards of land ownership, building codes, public school system or the quality of life. Even their long term goals and their priorities are vastly different from America. And the island is too far from the mainland to be connected by a bridge like the Keys are. If we make Puerto Rico a US state, then what's next... Haiti?

But it's not at all about the colour of their skin, and they are US citizens. But we don't want their island as part of America as a state.

And show me how over the decades, Puerto Rico has made any effort to be more like America, more US state-like. The people there don't have that driving ambition to more like mainland Americans.

It would make much more sense for Puerto Rico to ask to be part of Mexico or one of the countries in South America. They have much more in common with the people of those countries.
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