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so you admit private businesses and free enterprise is the engine of the U.S. economy. The reason is that way, it's because the U.S. protects individual rights and property rights . Think about that when you support the left socialists independentistas from Puerto Rico like you always do and the Bernie Sanders people alikes that want to tax businesses over 60% tax rate and control by force how to run their businesses.
This is evidence that City-Data can drive some people crazy. Apparently this week I´m a ´left socialist´. Last week I was categorized as a ´far right´ for my anti-socialism stance in another thread I started (//www.city-data.com/forum/ameri...-000-00-a.html). Oh my, what to do? One weekend passes and everything changes.
Here´s a thought! Why not answer the question in my previous post?
This is evidence that City-Data can drive some people crazy. Apparently this week I´m a ´left socialist´. Last week I was categorized as a ´far right´ for my anti-socialism stance in another thread I started (//www.city-data.com/forum/ameri...-000-00-a.html). Oh my, what to do? One weekend passes and everything changes.
Here´s a thought! Why not answer the question in my previous post?
don't you support the independent left movement of Puerto Rico? if you don't, then I read you wrong for years here. So you are a PRO statehood Puerto Rican that is pro-business and free markets, right? I just want to have the record clear to know who am I debating here.
don't you support the independent left movement of Puerto Rico? if you don't, then I read you wrong for years here. So you are a PRO statehood Puerto Rican that is pro-business and free markets, right? I just want to have the record clear to know who am I debating here.
What’s so hard about answering my on topic original question?
What’s so hard about answering my on topic original question?
I guess you are not going to answer. I already answered your question in this topic. I know many Puerto Ricans that move to the states like Texas and Florida to open up businesses because those are friendly business states of low regulations and low tax rates compared to Puerto Rico. Most Puerto Ricans work in the private sector because of the good economy. Running a business is not for everybody.
RSomething has happened to the Puerto Rican sense of entrepreurship. Its been a gradual change and has accelerated more since the 1970s on.
I was astonished when visiting old San Juan and found that all of the Piragua stands, once owned by Puerto Rican’s , are now owned by Dominicans. Piraguas are now $2.00 a cone.
Although this might be a silly example but it’s a symptom of a deeper problem and more widespread than we imagine.
Is it that Puerto Rican’s are now more educated and gravitate to higher paying jobs?
What bothers me is that the most recent PEW study on the condition of the Puerto Rican community in the United states has found Puerto Rican economic gains to be on par with the African American community. In addition, We were the poorest among all Hispanics in the United States!
Many here will scream, NOT TRUE ! “ I know a lot of Puerto Ricans who are teachers or have steady jobs and live a regular middle class life!” Puerto Rican’s who live in Idaho or Texas all have it fine.
All the above is TRUE, however there is still a reality, the one that recent studies have shown. Either these studies are BS and were made to discredit Puerto Rican’s? You decide.
What I do know is that Puerto Rican’s , in general, have ATTITUDES not seen among other Hispanic groups. Most Puerto Ricans know they have where to fall upon when things get tough. Other immigrants don’t have that.
Owning a business is TOUGH. Its endless hours, it’s having to deal with government bureaucracies, headaches with workers etc. Why not have it easy, work for the government, join the army or work for big retailers like Walmart. We tend to follow the African American pattern of making it big. Its not studying to become a doctor, lawyer or a businessman, but being a salsa singer, rap singer or a baseball player. All well paid professions but, come on, how many kids make it big time in these jobs?
The bottom line I think is, “ Colonialism has screwed us up for 120 plus years of DEPENDENCY. A very similar pattern happened to blacks during slavery. This dependency is already ingrained in our our culture. We never learned to swim with the sharks in the open ocean, and that sense of comfort and sense of letting others do it for us, is what fuels the statehood movement and the fear of being left undefended.
I guess Puerto Ricans have a better economy and a better median household income than the rest of the Latinos countries. So when they come to the states most get professional stable jobs with medical and 401k plans than to open a taco/burrito truck in the corner or a bodega which is 50%-50% chance of failure.
When you are U.S. citizen your choices are not limited to tacos trucks and housekeeping and janitors at hotels or construction jobs.
if my job opportunities are limited, I would open a lemonade stand in the corner if I have to,,,,but I don't have to. Plenty of good jobs in the states. The only alcapurrias and bacalaitos stand you will see from me is on the weekends in my backyard with a few beers and if you are my friend or neighbor you will get it for free (except the beer, that is counted and has a limit)
In fact Puerto Ricans are NOT the most prosperous Hispanic population in the USA, so the supposed "prosperity" (is this true after Maria?) isnt relevant.
More to the point is that educated Puerto Rican migrants to the US are more likely to have credentials or expertise that is recognized by US employers and so will jump straight into those jobs. And of course they arrive as US citizens. Many Latin immigrants will have more blocks do might be forced into entrepreneurship.
In the northeast most people of Puerto Rican descent have been there for generations so have lost that "3rd world hustle" that poor people living in societies with limited social safety nets are forced to engage in. So Dominicans will start businesses while Puerto Ricans will seek safe and low risk jobs.
What bothers me is that the most recent PEW study on the condition of the Puerto Rican community in the United states has found Puerto Rican economic gains to be on par with the African American community. In addition, We were the poorest among all Hispanics in the United States!
We tend to follow the African American pattern of making it big. Its not studying to become a doctor, lawyer or a businessman, but being a salsa singer, rap singer or a baseball player. All well paid professions but, come on, how many kids make it big time in these jobs?
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This is a fallacy and borderline racist. Most AAs do NOT aspire to become rappers or ball players, and given that salsa isnt really that popular even in The Bronx I doubt that this is an aspiration for most people of Puerto Rican descent in NY.
What we have are two distinct Puerto Rican populations. The descendants of the early wave (late 1940s to late 1960s) many of which were uneducated people with few skills to fit into modern post industrial societies. Then we have the more recent wave where a high % of the migrants are educated and/or skilled peoples.
I don't think that someone who is 25, doesn't speak Spanish, never been to PR and has parents and maybe even grandparents born on the mainland has relevance to Puerto Rico. Those in the NE are crafted by the environment within which they exist and not PR. Some have made it and many haven't, but a middle class Puerto Rican population does exist, many the grand kids of those who owned bodegas in the 60s.
In fact Puerto Ricans are NOT the most prosperous Hispanic population in the USA, so the supposed "prosperity" (is this true after Maria?) isnt relevant.
More to the point is that educated Puerto Rican migrants to the US are more likely to have credentials or expertise that is recognized by US employers and so will jump straight into those jobs. And of course they arrive as US citizens. Many Latin immigrants will have more blocks do might be forced into entrepreneurship.
In the northeast most people of Puerto Rican descent have been there for generations so have lost that "3rd world hustle" that poor people living in societies with limited social safety nets are forced to engage in. So Dominicans will start businesses while Puerto Ricans will seek safe and low risk jobs.
The fact is Puerto Ricans who move to the states start at a higher level of economic class than Hispanics that come in from Latin Republics. Puerto Ricans are U.S. Citizens and they enjoy a higher household median income from the start than any citizen from any Latin Republic, so Puerto Ricans have a huge headstart.
Most of Latinos that come to the U.S. are poor and uneducated, their jobs opportunities are very limited, so they create an underground economy which is another topic.
I would be glad to show you data and income of Puerto Rico compare to all Latin countries from salaries and benefits. Again, just because you open a small business doesn't mean you will be successful....60% and more of small businesses fail and others are not profitable at all. With those odds why would the majority go that route instead of following the demands in the market that dictate good salaries and good paying jobs?
The fact is Puerto Ricans who move to the states start at a higher level of economic class than Hispanics that come in from Latin Republics. Puerto Ricans are U.S. Citizens and they enjoy a higher household median income from the start than any citizen from any Latin Republic, so Puerto Ricans have a huge headstart.
Most of Latinos that come to the U.S. are poor and uneducated, their jobs opportunities are very limited, so they create an underground economy which is another topic.
I would be glad to show you data and income of Puerto Rico compare to all Latin countries from salaries and benefits. Again, just because you open a small business doesn't mean you will be successful....60% and more of small businesses fail and others are not profitable at all. With those odds why would the majority go that route instead of following the demands in the market that dictate good salaries and good paying jobs?
I am really not sure that providing statistics about how well PR is supposed to be makes sense given that its response to Maria is akin to that of Dominica, a tiny impoverished with no one to help them.
PR is among the most indebted places on this planet on a per capita income basis. It cannot service its debt. Its viability is in doubt and its future likely to be that of a place attracting vultures looking to acquire low value assets.
Having said all of that the ease that Puerto Ricans can move to the US means that this migration is less selective. All one has to do is to buy a plane ticket and go. Other Latinos must qualify for some sort of visa status or be very ingenious and figure out how to illegally enter and illegally remain in the USA. These people will be more driven and risk oriented.
Data shows that, despite the recent migration of middle class Puerto Ricans, especially to FL they still lag other Hispanics and Caribbean migrants in terms of the median household earnings, home ownership levels and are more likely to be poor. Their college attainment is marginally higher than other Hispanics, but the difference isnt sufficient to translate into higher incomes.
The reality is that Puerto Ricans living on the mainland don't seem to do much better than Dominicans, even though statistics (pre Maria) will indicate that its much richer. And Dominicans have greater challenges in terms of their language, and recognition of their credentials (obtained in the DR) by US employers. PR should be a bi lingual society so one would expect that a new migrant would have better grasp of the English language than an immigrant from the DR.
I am really not sure that providing statistics about how well PR is supposed to be makes sense given that its response to Maria is akin to that of Dominica, a tiny impoverished with no one to help them.
PR is among the most indebted places on this planet on a per capita income basis. It cannot service its debt. Its viability is in doubt and its future likely to be that of a place attracting vultures looking to acquire low value assets.
Having said all of that the ease that Puerto Ricans can move to the US means that this migration is less selective. All one has to do is to buy a plane ticket and go. Other Latinos must qualify for some sort of visa status or be very ingenious and figure out how to illegally enter and illegally remain in the USA. These people will be more driven and risk oriented.
Data shows that, despite the recent migration of middle class Puerto Ricans, especially to FL they still lag other Hispanics and Caribbean migrants in terms of the median household earnings, home ownership levels and are more likely to be poor. Their college attainment is marginally higher than other Hispanics, but the difference isnt sufficient to translate into higher incomes.
The reality is that Puerto Ricans living on the mainland don't seem to do much better than Dominicans, even though statistics (pre Maria) will indicate that its much richer. And Dominicans have greater challenges in terms of their language, and recognition of their credentials (obtained in the DR) by US employers. PR should be a bi lingual society so one would expect that a new migrant would have better grasp of the English language than an immigrant from the DR.
what? Puerto Rico is a U.S. Territory, not a Banana Republic. It means that their debt doesn't matter, the U.S. Congress will always protect P.R. and make them restructure it with the help of the FEDS and my point is that with all Puerto Rico's problems it fails in comparison to the problems in Latin Countries.
I'm sure Venezuela, Cuba, Brazil, Colombia, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, R.D. El Salvador, Bolivia would love to have Puerto Rico's problems over theirs.
Are you familiar with Venezuela? they have serious problems and there is no quick fix to that mess.
and if you are going to mention "data" put the link and source of the data you are using.
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