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are you being sarcastic with your last question? you know damn well it was me and there are 2 kinds of citizenship given by the powers of Congress and saying this "statutory" citizenship can be taken by law is a brain fart. So, you are a Puerto Rican that has never lived in Puerto Rico and never studied in Puerto Rico and favor independence for Puerton Rico and are confused about state voting laws and why residents of Puerto Rico can't vote.?
now you go off the deep end with living in Bangladesh and compare it to Puerto Rico which you are way off. The State Department has their website in how to handle children of American citizens being born in foreign countries who children don't vote.
I know I'm wasting my time with you but this is not for you. This is for the people reading so they get the correct information. This is from the State Department.
Absentee Voting Information for U.S. Citizens Abroad
VOTING IS NOW EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE
U.S. citizens can receive an absentee ballot by email, fax, or internet download, depending on the state they are eligible to vote in. (STATE have the final say)
Most U.S. citizens 18 years or older who reside outside the United States are eligible to vote absentee for federal office candidates in U.S. primary and general elections. In addition, some states allow overseas citizens to vote for state and local office candidates and referendums. For information about your state, see the Voting Assistance Guide. In some states, U.S. citizens who are 18 years or older and were born abroad but who have never resided in the United States are eligible to vote absentee. Direct your questions about eligibility to local election officials. (STATE!!!!!!)
IMPORTANT: U.S. citizens abroad must submit a new FPCA each year to vote in U.S. elections. Submit your FPCA at the beginning of the calendar year, or at least 45 days before an election, to allow ample time to process your request and resolve any problems. Once approved, your name will be put on a list of voters to receive absentee ballots.
Most states have websites to verify voter registration. If you are unsure of your status or want to confirm that local officials have received and approved your registration, check the FVAP website for a directory of state voter registration verification websites. You can also write, email, or call local election officials directly. (STATE, STATE, STATE)
This is not my opinion, it's directly from the State Department and States decide their rules and requirements and the first requirement is that you have to be a RESIDENT OF THE STATE.
Your voting residence is within your state of legal residence or domicile. It is the address that you consider your permanent home and where you had a physical presence. Your state of legal residence is used for state income tax purposes, and determines eligibility to vote for federal and state elections and qualification for in-state tuition rates.
State of legal residence and voting residence are sometimes mistaken for home of record. While your voting residence may be the same as your home of record at the beginning of your military career, you need to update your voting residence if you change your legal residence or domicile at any point.
To claim a new legal residence or domicile, consult your legal counsel or military legal assistance office, as there may be other factors to consider, such as tax implications.
Service Members
You may only have one legal voting residence at a time.
Service members, your voting residence should be within the state listed on your Leave and Earnings Statement, which defines your state for withholding state taxes. Don't confuse voting residence with home of record. Your home of record is the place you lived when you entered the military. It does not change while you are on active duty. Your voting residence may be the same as your home of record but needs to be updated if and when you decide to establish a new state of legal residence. Your state of legal residence is not automatically changed when you are assigned to a new duty location.
It may be changed with your approval by submitting the appropriate paperwork to your finance officer. However, you should first consult legal counsel.
You have the option to establish residency or domicile each time you are transferred to a new location. Once you change your residence or domicile, you may not revert to a previous residence without re-establishing a new physical presence according to residency laws of that state.
Now this is for you:
Citizens Residing Outside the U.S.
What is a voting residence and why is it important?
You need a voting residence to vote by absentee ballot — even if you are only voting for federal offices. Your election office needs your exact voting residence address to determine which offices and candidates you are eligible to vote for — and to send you the appropriate ballot for your voting precinct.
Your voting residence is your address in the state in which you were last domiciled, immediately prior to leaving the United States.
This residence may remain valid even if:
You no longer own property or have other ties to that state.
Your intent to return to that state is uncertain.
Your previous address is no longer a recognized residential address.
Voting in an election for federal offices often may not be used as the sole basis of determining residency for the purpose of imposing state and local taxes.
If you cannot remember the address where you last physically resided, check old tax records, passports, or family correspondence. Sometimes election offices can help identify your address if you were previously registered.
To claim a new legal residence or domicile, consult legal counsel as there may be other factors to consider, such as tax implications.
The state laws are clear on voting and going to foreign countries has NOTHING to do with Puerto Rico and why they can't vote for President from Puerto Rico as residents but you throw things in there to confuse the topic.
Whoa! What is this? I thought you were done according to yourself in the previous post. I guess in addition to claiming things that were never a part of this discussion, assuming things that were never true, and quoting things that are clearly not part of the discussion among other things, it must be added a lack of seriousness in your own words since apparently you don't do what you say you will do.
Like I said multiple times now, anyone here can use a search engine and see that a US citizen that lived in the USA can live anywhere in the world and still be able to vote in presidential elections. Plus, any children that he has upon the minimum age required have the right to vote in US presidential election via the former address in the US of his American father or mother. A quick search, pressing a few keys, inquiring on the issue and in a split of a second the obvious appears. No need to copy and paste things here, plus from someone that has proven to misquote in order to justify his 'argument.'
I don't want to come here and argue with egos. You came here with your opinion and I explained state's voting laws and they are clear and I actually went further and put the links for Americans in foreign soil which you brought it up (it has nothing to do with Puerto Rico) in what they need to do in contacting the state of their last residence in the U.S. before they moved to a foreign country for them to vote by mail and then you still argue with me and try to ignore your own comments on why Puerto Ricans that move back to Puerto Rico couldn't vote for President and your complain that Americans in foreign soil could vote for President and Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico couldn't. I explained in so many words and you still don't get it and argue. That's all cover in Americans Civics. The power of voting in U.S. elections comes from the states with the protection of the federal government. I told you this 3 times so you finally understand why American citizens overseas can vote in elections by mail while being overseas but they have to apply because of their state residence from their particular STATE and follow their laws and they have to fill out a FPCA every year.
I never said Americans in foreign countries couldn't vote here. I said they need to apply to their State of their residence before they moved and fulfill the state's requirements since each state is different. They all demand that you be U.S. Citizen and you be a resident is mandatory in all 50 states.
Since your memory is faulty , this is what you wrote:
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I don't know about states or if its allowed by some and not by others, but there is such a thing as an absentee ballot for federal elections, such as electing the president of the United States. A US citizen can be anywhere in the world and submit an absentee ballot to help choose the next president. It doesn't matter if the US citizen lives in Canada or Afghanistan.
This brings to light an interesting "issue," for lack of a better word, of something I never thought about. Namely that a US citizen can vote for the next president of the USA from anywhere in the world, but Puerto Ricans living in Puerto Rico are prohibited from voting in US presidential elections. Its ironic.
The same Puerto Rican moves from Puerto Rico to any state in the US and he's able to vote for the president. No special rules, no extra form to fill, no special fee to pay for the "privilege;" just go to the voting station and vote! The same Puerto Rican moves from Puerto Rico to the Dominican Republic and he is able to vote for the US president via an absentee ballot. Yet, the same Puerto Rican in Puerto Rico can't vote for the US president. When you think about it, it makes no sense at all.
Now I'm wondering if a US citizen born in the 50 states and moves to Puerto Rico, are they able to vote via an absentee ballot or are all US citizens in Puerto Rico not allowed to vote in presidential elections?
This shows your lack of American Civics and you don't understand state sovereignty and what makes a resident of a state.
if a U.S. Citizen is in Puerto Rico and he can fulfill any state's requirements that he is a resident of the state he can vote in the U.S. elections by mail from Puerto Rico or anywhere even Puerto Ricans. You can't vote in 2 places. You can't be a resident of Puerto Rico and Florida at the same time and ask for a ballot to vote by mail for both places. They do these laws so people that are not from a state can't vote there or abuse the system. You have to be a resident of the state while you are overseas to vote while you are away from your state and Puerto Rico is not a foreign country. Puerto Rico is treated like any other state, you are either there or you are not. If you are a resident of P.R. you can apply for a mail ballot to vote in their elections from anywhere outside of P.R.. If you are a state's resident and are overseas you can vote in your state's elections by mail. Since states can vote for President and Congress and P.R. can't that answers your own question.
Now you will comeback and accuse me of more "misquotes"
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and I will finally get a unicorn for x-mas. More people voted in 1976 than in 2020. More people voted in all the elections prior to 2020. Let that drop sink in.
see a pattern? what's next, less than 1 million vote in 2024. If Puerto Ricans keep living the island and the others that stay gives up on the system because of the mistrust of the politicians and the system then this referendum doesn't matter.
1993 Referendum : 1,700,995 turnout. statehood lost 1998 referendum: 1,556,270 turnout. statehood lost 2012 referendum: 1,878,969 turnout. statehood lost 2016 referendum: 518,394 turnout: statehood won* (77% of the electorate didn't bother to vote)
see a pattern? the only way they can push statehood is if they can drive down voter turnout and with all that, they only get 52% to 48% opposition (that's almost 50-50 split). They drop voter turnout by over 30,000 voters and they could reach the 65% mark. The sky is the limit. That's a problem for the statehood people.
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This is not to offend you but this is what happens when Puerto Rico doesn't make mandatory American Civics in the public schools and you make these statements. The power of voting in American elections either local, state or federal comes from the STATE with the protection of the federal government. That is what state sovereignty is. The requirement is, you have to be a U.S. Citizen but that alone is not enough. You have to be a resident of the state that gives you your voting rights. It comes from the state not citizenship. That's why elections are controlled by the states and locals and not federal. That's why each state have their own system and their own voting laws and their own requirements.
You can vote while overseas like military, school, hospital or job but state laws are clear. You have to be a resident of the state for 6 months plus 1 day in that year. The states can waive the requirements based on the military or jobs or hospital in special circumstances and they can demand that you send them paperwork to back up your claim that you have physical connection to the state. States voting laws are clear. You can't vote in a place you are not from and the only way to vote for President is by your state of residence. Just because I go to Disney Land for 2 weeks doesn't mean I can vote in California by mail. That would be election fraud.
Puerto Rico in 1952 decided to be a Commonwealth (whatever that means) they wanted to keep their own identity, have the full protection of the U.S. government (federal funds and economic investments) not pay federal income tax and not be a state. They wanted to keep their own Olympics apart from the U.S.. They are grown ups and made their own bed. Let them sleep in it. Elections have consequences.
Puerto Ricans didn’t “make their bed,” the US made it for them.
Puerto Ricans didn’t ask to be US citizens, the US took Puerto Rico from Spain so now they have to deal with it.
Puerto Ricans didn’t “make their bed,” the US made it for them.
Puerto Ricans didn’t ask to be US citizens, the US took Puerto Rico from Spain so now they have to deal with it.
Puerto Ricans made their bed because when they formed their first constitution ever in 1952, 92 elected officials in Puerto Rico wrote the constitution which they included U.S. Citizenship. The assembly held 62 sessions between September 17, 1951 and February 6, 1952, approving the constitution within the assembly two days before concluding their affairs on February 4, 1952. The constitution was then overwhelmingly approved a month later by the people of Puerto Rico in a referendum held on March 3, 1952 with 82% of the voters.
If that's not accepting U.S. Citizenship then I don't know what is. Do you see masses of Puerto Ricans in front of the State Department burning up their American passport and social security cards demanding their independence like Gandhi did in India? I missed that part when I lived there. The only protests in P.R. is when they don't get federal funds or their federal benefits are being cut. All demanding more Pell Grants to cover their college tuition because the administrators raised the fees or they get "mad" and "outrage" at some e-mails to kick out the governor but vote the same party to keep power.
Have you read it? the preamble reads:
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We, the people of Puerto Rico, in order to organize ourselves politically on a fully democratic basis, to promote the general welfare, and to secure for ourselves and our posterity the complete enjoyment of human rights, placing our trust in Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the commonwealth which, in the exercise of our natural rights, we now create within our union with the United States of America.In so doing, we declare:The democratic system is fundamental to the life of the Puerto Rican community;We understand that the democratic system of government is one in which the will of the people is the source of public power, the political order is subordinate to the rights of man, and the free participation of the citizen in collective decisions is assured;We consider as determining factors in our life our citizenship of the United States of America and our aspiration continually to enrich our democratic heritage in the individual and collective enjoyment of its rights and privileges; our loyalty to the principles of the Federal Constitution; the co-existence in Puerto Rico of the two great cultures of the American Hemisphere; our fervor for education; our faith in justice; our devotion to the courageous, industrious, and peaceful way of life; our fidelity to individual human values above and beyond social position, racial differences, and economic interests; and our hope for a better world based on these principles
that kills that myth. Lastly, all countries in the world were formed by war or treaties between the elites. Nobody was "asked".
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A 100% participation rate? At least a majority of the voting age population should cast their vote regarding PR's status, not less than 30% as was currently the case. Basically, a minority of the population voted in favor of statehood. It sounds to mesimilar to the fiasco in Cataluña with the independence from Spain and then the reaction for Cataluña natives and non-natives that live in Cataluña and didn't want separation from Spain. The PR plebiscite certainly shouldn't have a 100% participation rate mostly because it will never be acheived unless people are forced to vote, IMO.
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