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View Poll Results: Should Puerto Rico become a state or an independent nation?
State 53 41.73%
Independent nation 64 50.39%
Other (please specify in your post) 10 7.87%
Voters: 127. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-08-2020, 02:44 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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What does race have to do with it?
Puerto Rico is a victim of US imperialism.
So was Texas ... should we give it back to Mexico?
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Nope, Texas fought for its independence from a tyrannical Mexican government and earned it in blood.

Now in the case of the “Mexican Cession of 1848” (New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada) you would be correct. They can have it back.
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Florida/Tennessee
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Roughly 90% of the population opposes independence.

Should we get rid of Alabama and West Virginia too? Or are they special because White Republicans live there?
You don't acknowledge the obvious difference? It's not about race.... so why even go there?
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Old 02-15-2020, 04:29 PM
 
Location: NJ+NC (Prev. Boston, NYC, Upstate NY & FL)
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You don't acknowledge the obvious difference? It's not about race.... so why even go there?
Ehh Puerto Rico being 99% Non White probably doesnt help its case for statehood. There definitely is some WHite Republican Bias there.
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Old 02-15-2020, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Florida/Tennessee
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Ehh Puerto Rico being 99% Non White probably doesnt help its case for statehood. There definitely is some WHite Republican Bias there.
Bias for what? If PR wanted to be a state... they just have to vote yes. The ballot is blind to race. Who would prevent it? They're already Americans.

It wouldn't be financially beneficial for PR .
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:00 AM
 
Location: DMV Area/NYC/Honolulu
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Ehh Puerto Rico being 99% Non White probably doesnt help its case for statehood. There definitely is some WHite Republican Bias there.
Firstly, Puerto Ricans are predominantly white; white Hispanics if you will, though a fair amount are other races and of mixed race. That said, PRs most serious challenge to statehood is that it would likely upset the political balance in Washington as any PR state would be likely to send Democrats to Congress vice Republicans,
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Old 02-18-2020, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Danville, VA
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That said, PRs most serious challenge to statehood is that it would likely upset the political balance in Washington as any PR state would be likely to send Democrats to Congress vice Republicans,
That's exactly why the GOP is opposed to PR gaining statehood. Mitch McConnell said that as long as he controls the Senate, statehood will never happen.

I think it's ridiculous to deny statehood based on political affiliation.
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Old 02-19-2020, 06:28 AM
 
Location: DMV Area/NYC/Honolulu
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That's exactly why the GOP is opposed to PR gaining statehood. Mitch McConnell said that as long as he controls the Senate, statehood will never happen.

I think it's ridiculous to deny statehood based on political affiliation.
While reasonable minds can disagree on that, do know that this is not unique to Mitch McConnell or the Republican Party. Texas can legally split into five separate states under the terms of its admission to the Union. You know there is no way in hell that Democrats would allow for such a split as it would upset the balance of power.

I'm on the side where I think politics does matter, especially once we start talking about a change in political power alignment that could threaten issues you care deeply about.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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While reasonable minds can disagree on that, do know that this is not unique to Mitch McConnell or the Republican Party. Texas can legally split into five separate states under the terms of its admission to the Union. You know there is no way in hell that Democrats would allow for such a split as it would upset the balance of power.

I'm on the side where I think politics does matter, especially once we start talking about a change in political power alignment that could threaten issues you care deeply about.
We used to admit two states together to preserve the balance of power in a very divided era. We are that divided again. The problem is that the previous time period that we did that to preserve the balance of power was the era leading up to the civil war. The fact that we don’t want to admit PR because of the politics of it should scare everyone as it says something not so good about the state of this country.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:21 AM
 
Location: DMV Area/NYC/Honolulu
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We used to admit two states together to preserve the balance of power in a very divided era. We are that divided again. The problem is that the previous time period that we did that to preserve the balance of power was the era leading up to the civil war. The fact that we don’t want to admit PR because of the politics of it should scare everyone as it says something not so good about the state of this country.
I think that's a fair way of looking at things. But I argue that we've been politically divided (and very much so) for most of our country's history. And we've been admitting states in pairs/groups (within a year of each other) for the bulk of this country's history. And this goes beyond the Civil War. Heck, the most two recently admitted states (Alaska and Hawaii) were admitted at the same time in large part to preserve the political balance, and this was in 1959. Fun fact is that the original thought process was that Alaska would be a Dem state while Hawaii would be a Republican state. Of course, the opposite has occurred, though Democrats initially did govern Alaska and Republicans did initially govern Hawaii.
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