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View Poll Results: Should Puerto Rico become a state or an independent nation?
State 53 42.06%
Independent nation 63 50.00%
Other (please specify in your post) 10 7.94%
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Old 03-11-2020, 06:13 PM
 
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Statehood implies assimilation. As an ironic example, ask the pro-statehood Governor Wanda Vázquez why she needs an interpreter to speak with U.S. officials? I can tolerate that from a next door kind of Puerto Rican, but not for a leader like Wanda Vázquez (or any other) with enough money to pay for the best English instructors... but she defends statehood. Another tool of the U.S.


True. Hawaii in the Caribbean. When many Maria evacuees arrived in the US many weren't linguistically prepared to live in a monolingual nation. In many respects Puerto Ricans in the USA are like immigrants. They just arrive with US citizenship, but have similar challenges.
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Old 03-12-2020, 08:25 AM
 
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No. The Constitution doesn't say anything about political parties.

In any case, changing the Constitution is not done at the voting booth, but by a coordinated effort of state legislatures.
I am encouraged to see that SOME people understand that Mike.
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Old 03-12-2020, 09:21 AM
 
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Spain was happy to unload P.R. in the treaty at the end of the Spanish American War. Perhaps. Spain could take them back. When that doesn't work and you know it wont..Go the independent route.
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Old 03-12-2020, 05:18 PM
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Spain was happy to unload P.R. in the treaty at the end of the Spanish American War. Perhaps. Spain could take them back. When that doesn't work and you know it wont..Go the independent route.
I thought Spain had made Puerto Rico a province (similar to a state in the USA) when the US siphon the place? Has Spain ever shown an intention of "unloading" the Canary Islands? How about Ceuta and Melilla?

Had Spain won the war or it happen as it did, today most Puerto Ricans were going to live a high standard lifestyle. The biggest difference was going to be in the urbanization process, since maintaining a Spanish link like the Canary Islands did would result in a Spanish-like urbanization and not what exists now which outside the old centers is very suburbia USA. Puerto Rico was the most loyal territory to Spain in the Americas. I doubt an anti-Spanish movement was going to take place there.
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Old 03-12-2020, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I think they will be an independent country, allied with China. A flip flop of Taiwan
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Old 03-13-2020, 04:29 PM
 
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Spain was happy to unload P.R. in the treaty at the end of the Spanish American War. Perhaps. Spain could take them back. When that doesn't work and you know it wont..Go the independent route.
Cuba was their valuable colony. Not PR, which was quite impoverished. The fact that Cuba is a sovereign nation and PR isn't, and the fact that prior to the 1950s PR was poorer than Cuba says something.
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Old 03-13-2020, 04:31 PM
 
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Had Spain won the war or it happen as it did, today most Puerto Ricans were going to live a high standard lifestyle. .
Because of the US Federal 936 program which has since ended. With that gone PR has been sliding downhill and 20% of the population has fled.

Prior to these federally backed tax incentives PR was a poor island with massive poverty.
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Old 03-13-2020, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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Cuba was their valuable colony. Not PR, which was quite impoverished. The fact that Cuba is a sovereign nation and PR isn't, and the fact that prior to the 1950s PR was poorer than Cuba says something.
Yeah, it says that Cuba had a socialist revolution that confiscated all of the nation's wealth and property (and squandered it, of course, as socialism is wont to do).
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:30 PM
 
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Yeah, it says that Cuba had a socialist revolution that confiscated all of the nation's wealth and property (and squandered it, of course, as socialism is wont to do).
And what about before all of that happened. Cuba was considerably richer than PR. Independent too!
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Old 03-23-2020, 10:43 AM
 
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And what about before all of that happened. Cuba was considerably richer than PR. Independent too!
that's true, they were able to attract a good deal of money from the US. of course, it also highlights that small islands are always in some ways dependent on their relationships with large countries (particularly those nearby). it would, for example, make much more sense for PR to be aligned with the US than nearby venezuela for obvious reasons even if it were independent. I've long thought that the Caribbean needs some kind of ASEAN agreement. of course, that's not the world in which we live at the moment.
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