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View Poll Results: Should Puerto Rico become a state or an independent nation?
State 53 41.73%
Independent nation 64 50.39%
Other (please specify in your post) 10 7.87%
Voters: 127. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-01-2020, 08:53 PM
 
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State, so they can keep relying on the states to take care of them. They can't make it on their own.
A lot of them are getting highly-educated.......
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Old 04-02-2020, 01:02 AM
 
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Many might think that they are, but in fact most are a mix of Spanish, Taino and African. The specific mixture varies.
And if the overwhelming majority are mostly white, can those people not legitimately call themselves white?

If Barack can call himself black despite being half white, why can't people call who are predominately white (and not all Puerto Ricans are predominately white, but that's not my argument) call themselves white?
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Old 04-04-2020, 01:27 AM
 
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Aren't most people in PR in favor of statehood? They should become a State.
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Roughly 90% of the population opposes independence.

Should we get rid of Alabama and West Virginia too? Or are they special because White Republicans live there?
Right. lol
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Old 04-04-2020, 10:00 AM
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Look what has happened to Haiti, once it became independent.
Even recent countries, like Jamaica, show a tale tell sign. Most of the English Caribbean got their independence from the United Kingdom in the 1960’s and it appears the life of the people simply gets worst. Look what recently happened in Jamaica:

Jamaicans would have been better off British - poll

Despite that in Jamaica lives the majority of the population of the English Caribbean, a simple look at the economic situation from independence is that there isn’t much mobility for the people there, not much growth, and ridiculously high levels of debt. I think in Jamaica debt is already at a higher percentage than what the island produces on a yearly basis. It seem that the further in time from the British in charge, the worst it gets for the everyday people.

What will be of the place in 20, 30, 40 years from now? These countries are not even 100 years old and already they are like this.
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Old 04-09-2020, 11:31 PM
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c'mon. you guys need to read up on what happened to Haiti after they beat the French. They had to pay reparations to the French government for the slaves the French lost. they paid this 'debt' up to 1947. disgusting.
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Old 04-13-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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c'mon. you guys need to read up on what happened to Haiti after they beat the French. They had to pay reparations to the French government for the slaves the French lost. they paid this 'debt' up to 1947. disgusting.
as awful as that is, it is 2020 and it's still a complete disaster.
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Old 04-14-2020, 11:28 AM
 
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No, Texas was a victim of Mexican imperialism. And it belonged to Mexico for just 15 years.
Doesn't matter if it was 15 years or 20. The only difference was that New Spain became Mexico. They still belonged to them for many years.
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Old 05-28-2020, 01:41 AM
 
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I think it should have a free association agreement like Micronesia has with the United States.


I don't think it should be a state, Puerto Rico has a national identity - it sends teams to the Olympics for example and is culturally distinct from the rest of the union - I suppose you could the same for Hawaii but I would like to see Puerto Rico keep that identity.



What would it becoming a state solve? (if anything...).
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Old 05-29-2020, 10:38 AM
 
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And if the overwhelming majority are mostly white, can those people not legitimately call themselves white?

If Barack can call himself black despite being half white, why can't people call who are predominately white (and not all Puerto Ricans are predominately white, but that's not my argument) call themselves white?
The average Puerto Rican is about 58% white European, 27% black African, and 15% indigenous Caribbean. Most look phenotypically mixed (evenly mixed), and by dumb American one drop rule standards most would be considered "black", same reason Obama, Drake, Beyonce, Chris Brown, Steph Curry are considered black despite having heavy European ancestry up to 50%.

Do Puerto Ricans themselves follow this rule, no majority do not. One Drop rule (one drop of black) is a historical American thing that originated as political and social thing to define race in the late 1800s but now its moreso about culture, social race/identity politics and American mulattos identifying with their "blackness". It's not a actually law, Black Americans and white Americans just uphold it as social standard. Puerto Ricans and most other mixed mulatto Latinos, do not follow the One drop rule.

In fact, in PR historically there was the opposite rule, One drop of white blood and you white, still socially practiced til this day, that's why 75% of Puerto Ricans identify as white in the 2010 census, but only 25% actually being fully white, the majority of PR being mixed race. Let's see if the 2020 census show the more of the same, Puerto Rico is increasingly Americanising, which has some good and some bad, but the American way of identifying race and ethnic identity is NOT the correct way
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Old 05-29-2020, 10:59 AM
 
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I think Puerto Rico should be Independent. Independence would uphold its culture and nationhood. Does the majority of Louisiana still speak French, no very few due. What about the Hawaiians do they still practiced real Hawaiian culture or it's just for tourism, are they even still Native Hawaiians, nah it's mostly whites and Asian in Hawaii. This is what statehood does, forces said place to blend in and Americanise. People think USA is soooo regionally different, but theres little difference between the states as compared to places outside the country, theres little similarities between a US state and most countries. American culture is more uniform than people think. I be willing to bet, atleast half of all Puerto Ricans, if not more, are definitely not willing to give up their culture or ethnic identity.

This new younger generation of Puerto Ricans is different, more open minded and rebellious, kinda like USA in the 60s n 70s. They dont turn a blind eye like their parents and grandparents did, to what the USA has done and act like the USA is still the best place in earth. From modern events like Wall street vultures and federal govt neglect during hurricane Maria and other disasters. To more historical events like the Jones Act, Birth control testing in the 1940s, to the Vieques Bombing in the 1980s, and many other events (Google is free). This new generation that took out Rosello, is not with the bullsh!t.

Many Puerto Ricans (mainly the older ones) need to stop thinking that staying as with the US is the only way to survive. Stop relying on the US federal government. Puerto Rico is like a 30 year old mixed race man who had a rough childhood, who later got adopted as a child by a white family (or kidnapped if you really think about USA stole PR from Spain), and now wants to willingly stay with this white family that lowkey doesnt even like him.

Puerto Rico needs to get out that needy child mentality and stand on it's on 2 feet. When people talk about independence they compare to small poor countries, that's a negative mindset. Theres PLENTY of small countries doing GREAT, like Singapore or Luxemburg for example. Even in the Latin America and Caribbean region, you have Panama, Barbados, and the Bahamas are doing good. Even countries like Costa Rica, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Dominican Republic, and most of the northern Lesser Antilles are on the come up and starting to improve heavily, at this point many of them are even doing better than Puerto Rico despite being apart of the US. Puerto Rico can base it's most of its economy on trade and become one of the trade powerhouses in the Caribbean, also agriculture (coffee, sugar) and tourism (Old San Juan, El Yunque, tropical beaches). Puerto Rico can legalise marijuana and prostitution, and turn this into a industry too. Also being a center Latin Caribbean of culture is a benefit, alot of reggaeton and salsa artists come from PR.

For Independence to happen, the people need to change their mindset and I'm glad this new generation is doing that. Survival and success IS a mindset. Also continue to keep these government officials in check, corrupt politicians aren't immortal.

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