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Old 09-29-2020, 06:14 AM
 
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You speak Spanish. I would answer you in Spanish "canto de lambon" but I think it's an English only forum. Not everybody can sound like you. I'm not Hellion or whoever I remind you. Why would I get kicked out? You are here for years and still here. Now kids lets get back to topic.
Good morning AnotherRican -> AKA Mike Ravens -> AKA Parcelero Fugaz -> AKA Hellion -> AKA SanJuanStar!

How you doin'?


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Old 09-29-2020, 10:00 AM
 
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Good morning AnotherRican -> AKA Mike Ravens -> AKA Parcelero Fugaz -> AKA Hellion -> AKA SanJuanStar!

How you doin'?



4 am? that weed in California is strong. Keep guessing but I know who you are. You are that moderator from that failed Puerto Rican site that they closed because it was a bad forum that nobody went. I can't remember your name, is not important. Like they say in Puerto Rico "se te ve la costura". When you said you are from California and that you voted Republican in the past but because of principles and morals you can't anymore but sound more liberal than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and speak that Nuyorican Spanish you just gave yourself up. What was your name at the other site? Don't make me look for it. LOL. How many times you applied to be a moderator here?


and Good Morning to you too.
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Old 09-29-2020, 06:01 PM
 
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4 am? that weed in California is strong. Keep guessing but I know who you are. You are that moderator from that failed Puerto Rican site that they closed because it was a bad forum that nobody went. I can't remember your name, is not important. Like they say in Puerto Rico "se te ve la costura". When you said you are from California and that you voted Republican in the past but because of principles and morals you can't anymore but sound more liberal than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and speak that Nuyorican Spanish you just gave yourself up. What was your name at the other site? Don't make me look for it. LOL. How many times you applied to be a moderator here?


and Good Morning to you too.
Well brother, some of us rise at the crack of dawn to make it to work early, [never late].
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Old 09-29-2020, 09:17 PM
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Stay off the rum, independendista living in the states.
it was US civics classes that inspired my belief in independence for Puerto Rico. i would however prefer a parliamentary system over a presidential republic but thats just me.

the oil refinery in the south of Puerto Rico would need investment for sure. The Chinese, the Arabs, Europeans there are many more countries in the world other than the US that invest around the world. Only countries that upset the US are stuck trading with the likes of Russia/Venezuela/Iran. Independence cannot come at the cost of losing trade opportunities with US allies.
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Old 09-29-2020, 10:19 PM
 
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it was US civics classes that inspired my belief in independence for Puerto Rico. i would however prefer a parliamentary system over a presidential republic but thats just me.
I prefer the constitutional republic in the U.S. In a presidential system, the president is often elected directly by the people. This makes the president’s power more legitimate than that of a leader appointed indirectly. A presidential system establishes the presidency and the legislature as two parallel structures. This arrangement allows each structure to serve as check and balances preventing abuses. The president has stronger powers and can usually enact changes quickly. A president, by virtue of a fixed term, may provide more stability than a prime minister who can be dismissed at any time.


In a parliamentary system, the constituency of the executive and legislature are the same. If the ruling party is voted out of the legislature, the executive also changes. Continued co-operation between the executive and legislature is required for the government to survive in a Presidential system and to be effective in carrying out its programs. In a parliamentary system, the legislature holds supreme power. Parliamentary systems are characterized by no clear-cut separation of powers between the executive and legislative branches.

A parliamentary system in Puerto Rico would be chaos with the legislative branch having the real power and their politics and no deep check and balances.
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Old 10-14-2020, 12:03 AM
 
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Language is also an issue.
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Old 10-16-2020, 12:59 PM
 
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I prefer the constitutional republic in the U.S. In a presidential system, the president is often elected directly by the people. This makes the president’s power more legitimate than that of a leader appointed indirectly. A presidential system establishes the presidency and the legislature as two parallel structures. This arrangement allows each structure to serve as check and balances preventing abuses. The president has stronger powers and can usually enact changes quickly. A president, by virtue of a fixed term, may provide more stability than a prime minister who can be dismissed at any time.


In a parliamentary system, the constituency of the executive and legislature are the same. If the ruling party is voted out of the legislature, the executive also changes. Continued co-operation between the executive and legislature is required for the government to survive in a Presidential system and to be effective in carrying out its programs. In a parliamentary system, the legislature holds supreme power. Parliamentary systems are characterized by no clear-cut separation of powers between the executive and legislative branches.

A parliamentary system in Puerto Rico would be chaos with the legislative branch having the real power and their politics and no deep check and balances.
FYI. The USA does NOT have a direct system. I assume that you have heard of the Electoral College. These are actual people who vote for the president. The exercise that the rest of us engage in is the HOPE that they will exercise their votes the way that voters in each state decide that they should.
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Old 10-16-2020, 01:04 PM
 
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PR is not going to become a state anymore than it will be independent. Income taxes due to the IRS are sent instead to the local government. If PR became a state they would then have to pay taxes to the Feds, meaning that local income taxes will have to be introduced.

I think that people assume that the 4 to 5 PR congressional reps will be able to tell the other 438 what to do so that PR will have unrestricted access to the US Treasury. Not so. If PR doesnt get this I bet that being a state loses attraction to many who live on that island, and who exhibit an island identity as strong as that of any independent Caribbean island.
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Old 10-18-2020, 09:55 PM
 
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PR is not going to become a state anymore than it will be independent. Income taxes due to the IRS are sent instead to the local government. If PR became a state they would then have to pay taxes to the Feds, meaning that local income taxes will have to be introduced.

I think that people assume that the 4 to 5 PR congressional reps will be able to tell the other 438 what to do so that PR will have unrestricted access to the US Treasury. Not so. If PR doesnt get this I bet that being a state loses attraction to many who live on that island, and who exhibit an island identity as strong as that of any independent Caribbean island.
If PR asks for statehood I do not believe it’s strong identity is a problem. Texas, Louisiana, Hawaii, Alaska and California all have strong state identities. In our republic states should exhibit strong identities and independent tendencies. There is nothing un-American about a very independent and proud state culture. The Spanish language and culture is not a problem for me either. A state of Puerto Rico would add to the uniqueness of this country.

In the end it is up to those who live on the island to decide this. Most Puerto Rican’s I’ve heard speak on this are proud of being US citizens. They are also proud to be Puerto Rican. I don’t see them choosing independence. They are far more likely to choose statehood. Staying the way they are holds attraction too. Now they have most the benefits of being Americans without paying taxes. Is it worth it for them to trade tax free life for representation in Congress and a vote for president? That is up to them. After 120 years of being part of this country they have the right to decide this for themselves.
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Old 10-18-2020, 11:30 PM
 
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FYI. The USA does NOT have a direct system. I assume that you have heard of the Electoral College. These are actual people who vote for the president. The exercise that the rest of us engage in is the HOPE that they will exercise their votes the way that voters in each state decide that they should.
Yes it does. All elections from local, state and federal are direct. The only exception is the President which is electoral and winner of the popular vote of each state takes them all. The founders put an insurance policy with the electors having the power to block the winner of the election if they explode with skeletons in their closet before they take the oath which the only way to take him out after that is impeachment and 2/3 of the Senate which takes too long and damage can be done with the President being Commander in Chief and having the most lethal military in the planet and history at his command and the keys to the nukes. That's why there is that insurance policy for President-Elect. I think it's smart. It has never been blocked before but the insurance is there. You can't impeach a President-Elect but the electors can block him and Congress has to step in. It's there for the most extreme cases.

The founding fathers knew pure democracy and the mob rules could implode so they implemented the EC just for President. NO President-elect in the history of the nation ever blocked a winner. All Presidents who won the popular vote of the state took all E/C.

Again, if Puerto Rico wants to become a state, they better start making mandatory American Civics in the public schools and start taking English seriously. If they continue with this victim colonial mentality, they shouldn't waste our time here in the states. This is not at you. This is for the millions living in the island.


Now this is for the Puerto Rican Independentista here living in the states, Mym. You wrote the reason you are anti-statehood for Puerto Rico (but live in the states) is because you studied American Civics and that's the reason you are anti-statehood? you prefer the European system. What is that supposed to mean? What exactly you don't like about the American system that is not compatible with Puerto Ricans? it has a clear division of powers and check and balances compared to other countries. It's the only system in the world where blacks are 13% minority and elected a black man TWICE. What other system allows the election to the highest office of the nation by a minority that is 13% of the population? Not Europe, Not Asia, Not Africa and not in Latin America.

I want to see a black or a minority tribe in a country be a Mexican President, Argentina, Chile, Great Britain, France, Spain,Russia, Japan, Korea. Those systems are a lot older than the U.S. and they will never elect a 15% minority dark skin head of their nation.

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