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Old 09-12-2020, 10:15 AM
 
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Wrong. The US makes a killing from the perks it receives through The Jones Act. Puerto Rico has also supplied human capital via thousands of soldiers for the Armed Forces. Puerto Ricans have been fighting in US wars for over a hundred years. That deserves respect.

That Navy base you mentioned did tons of environmental damage and it cost the lives of many locals. It’s a travesty.



Haven’t the people of Vieques had enough? Read my comment above.



Maybe sell it back to Spain? Let’s face it, Puerto Rico is past the point of making it on its own. Spain can take it over and spruce it up. It would have the EU and Euro to back it up. They would probably be better off!

If the US keeps it, they should definitely do a shake-down, remove EVERYONE from government and start from scratch, with some supervision. If things move in the right direction, then make it a state. Oh, and REPEL THE JONES ACT!
Civics and facts are not your strong suit. Stay in sports. Sell it back to Spain? you never read the constitution. Selling human beings is against the constitution. Taking away your American citizenship against your will is prohibit and illegal declared by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Why would the European Union invest in an American territory with millions of U.S. Citizens in the territory for over 1 century in the Atlantic? the word says it all, EUROPEAN. That's the continent of Europe. Puerto Rico is not in Europe. Not even close. What's next, for P.R. to join the Asian economy? you know where is Asia?

The Navy base in Puerto Rico didn't cost the lives of "many" locals. That's just a lie that it can't be back it up with data. The Navy brought millions of dollars in the economy and jobs for Vieques yearly for decades that when the Navy left it left a big economic hole that the Puerto Rican private sector has yet to fill and the people of Vieques are poorer and their economy to the ground compared to the mainland Puerto Rico. By the way, the Armed Forces is VOLUNTARY since 1973. You don't have to serve in any war or peace time if you don't wan to. You lost me with that comment.

The Jones Act only demands that if you are going to transport people or goods by air, sea or land between 2 points in the SAME NATION you must use Domestic transportation which means Puerto Rican people and their boats, planes or trucks since Puerto Ricans are U.S. Citizens and not foreign. Every country has their Jones Act. Again, you are confused about the facts and repeat what you hear.

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Old 09-15-2020, 12:15 PM
 
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Allow Puerto Ricans to stay in their country or come to the US, and if they come to the US they can keep their citizenship. Easy solution.
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:18 PM
 
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Allow Puerto Ricans to stay in their country or come to the US, and if they come to the US they can keep their citizenship. Easy solution.
This is exactly how they did it when the U.S acquired the South Western states.

...but the danger would be that everybody might leave Puerto Rico, and it would become a deserted island.
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Old 09-15-2020, 12:51 PM
 
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Spain can try to convince Americans to move there in return for Spanish citizenship. Might lead some Americans who want to become Spanish or EU citizens to do so.
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Old 09-18-2020, 11:22 AM
 
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Spain can try to convince Americans to move there in return for Spanish citizenship. Might lead some Americans who want to become Spanish or EU citizens to do so.

This is funny and I'm bored for responding. The U.S. has the #1 GDP in the world while Spain is #13 and the U.S. is 95% bigger in land than Spain. California has more people than Spain and you have 49 other states. Why would Average American want to move to Spain? I can see if you have roots there and family there and speak fluent Spaniard Spanish (Castellano) or have a great job offer but if you are not Spaniard, that would be stepping down a few levels for an average American. I'm sure if you are an American with money, you can buy vacations homes in Spain. It's a beautiful country but the average American will not be bringing millions of dollars to Spain and there is a huge culture change. For most Americans is not worth it especially $$$$ wise.

The average salary in Madrid, Spain after tax is $1,584 while in the U.S. is $3,541, a difference of 123.51%. Taxes are higher in Spain than the U.S.

Gasoline in Spain is $5.84 while the U.S. is $2.63
Toyota Corolla or equivalent car in Spain is $24,676 while in the U.S. is $21,397.
1 pair of Jeans Levi's 501 or equivalent in Spain is $85 while in the U.S. is $42.
Buy apartment Price per Square Feet to Buy Apartment in City Centre: Spain is $334 while the U.S. is $293
Price per Square Feet to Buy Apartment Outside of Centre: Spain is $220. U.S. is $194.

Do you understand why people rather come to the United States than Spain? There is a huge difference having #1 GDP in the world to #13 and having 95% more land to move around for better living conditions and job opportunities. Taxes also play a big factor for average people.

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