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Old 09-22-2020, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Philly
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seems like Cruz has been ineffective
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The lawmaker [Romero] pointed to the deterioration of infrastructure and the administration of city hall as the problems he was preparing to address with haste if elected, and which, he said, is at the root of the problem of economic development in the area. A highly bureaucratic permitting process makes matter worse. The latter, he assured, has scared away the investment of small and midsize businesses in the capital, as entrepreneurs face an almost impenetrable bureaucratic wall to begin operating.
https://caribbeanbusiness.com/sen-ro...-juan-economy/
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Old 11-09-2020, 10:18 AM
 
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The interesting thing about this election cycle had been the revival of candidates that back Puerto Rican independence or free association. One candidate that is head to head with the statehood candidate for mayor of San Juan is a PRO INDEPENDENCE young man. This would never have happened four years ago. Feelings for independence or a true free association has grown to almost out strip statehood desires.
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Old 11-09-2020, 12:33 PM
 
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Well, I think that's a misread of the situation. Folks of my generation (millennials, now in their mid 30s) who stayed down there after high school/college, are basically tired of governmental grid lock by the status quo of the PPD and PNP. The status affiliation of the banner of alternative candidates is really not germane to the question of why they're voting for them. The reality is that if asked to vote for a status, the overwhelming majority would vote for remaining a US colony, and if I may be hyperbolic for a second to make a point, would also probably enlist in the military if it came to it, to keep their US citizenship. And that's talking about boricuas, Latin America's most pacifist cohort by historical standards (I blame the limp wristed Taíno heritage; which means I must have some Carib in me somewhere, to have ended up in this bellicose employ as a Boricua lol I keed I keed).

Lúgaro's anti-establishment platform is very technocratic and universally agreeable to the rank and file. Hell I even agree with her cabinet and economic reform platform from a basic governance of the executive branch, and she's my declared enemy mind you! (as a uniformed US Airman myself, and her a separatist US citizen). That gained a lot of traction with my generation down there. My parents by contrast of course, couldn't read past the status question. Not making judgement, just laying out the dynamic.

The overarching reality is that my generation saw our parent's generation debate the territorial status at the dinner tables ad nauseam for our entire upbringings, and the needle never moved an inch either way, regardless of the number of plebiscites or what color (blue or red) was in power. For all the support for ELA, things never got any better, so the PPD doesn't have that argument against the PNP. The folklore canard they used instead has been effective, but it's equally hollow/banal. I digress on that.

What a lot of CONUS people also don't understand about PR is that, in a place where private employment is almost non-existent compared to government employment (part of the reason the fiscal penguins fell off the iceberg economically once section 936 went away), attaining a living wage as a median Puerto Rican is, for all intents and purposes, limited to directly a function of gaining political favor in whatever public agency you were looking to work in. And lest I be rendered a hypocrite, that political campaigning my father did for Roselló Sr. for years (I wouldn't see him in the evening for weeks at a time, the man got bone spurs he marched so much), allowed my parents to retire from higher paying govt positions, which directly empowered my family to launch me and my sister to the CONUS for college. My father's marching and political activism literally saved my life potential; that man owes me nothing in this life. I, owe him.

Good bad or indifferent, that's the Hunger Games that permeate the realities of being a native Puerto Rican, and I'll certainly never apologize for what essentially boils down to describing the water down there for the last 40 years.

My point with all that is that: the gig is up, good bad or indifferent. I had to leave, and my peers who didn't or couldn't, are screwed. The territorial status is the last thing in young people's mind down there. It's their realization that I'm raising a family up here, saving money, building retirement benefits, and they're not even able to secure an economic footing that affords them the mere ability to put their own kids in the schools their own parents were able to afford tuition for. No pensions, only 401ks... in a territory with a median income of 20K. What Joke. Do. The. Math. They're panicked. Most left for the states to be fair, which worsens the economies of scale problem for those who chose/had to remain. That's why they're swinging for the fences party-wise. It's not a status mandate, that's a chinese checkers read of the SITREP down there, and we're playing 3D chess.
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Old 11-09-2020, 03:15 PM
 
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The interesting thing about this election cycle had been the revival of candidates that back Puerto Rican independence or free association. One candidate that is head to head with the statehood candidate for mayor of San Juan is a PRO INDEPENDENCE young man. This would never have happened four years ago. Feelings for independence or a true free association has grown to almost out strip statehood desires.

Wrong read x 2. If that's the case, why Carmen Yulin, the #1 pro independence politician in power with many resources (huge difference) with huge name recognition came #3 dead last in her own party's primary? With all of her circus and TDS and getting help from the Democrats in the states, she was rejected badly in her own party. Her own party wants nothing to do with her.



The reason Natal came #2 in the mayor's race it was because it was a 5 person race and people are tired of the 2 main party system and the hurricane and Corona responses and He split the votes 5 ways and wanted a young person from the outside new so he squeezed in to #2 but it has nothing to do that the people of San Juan wants independence, far from it. This was an election to govern a 4 year term San Juan not to push independence.



Natal, who used to be a protester from the left and threw dog food to the police in Puerto Rico and called them pigs and fascists and now he wants to be their mayor . You can't make this up. The jokers running for office down there. I mean, you throw dog food to the police and insult them below human then he wants to be their boss?



You know damn well, you takeout the Commonwealth status as an option and you independentistas would be done for good. The only reason that movement is barely alive is because of the PPD gives you life support and lets grab public funds. The PPD is the only reason Carmen Yulin got to power. She would have never made it in the Independence party so she went were she could win. That's politics but to think the indepencenc movement is growing? NO. LOL.
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Old 11-09-2020, 06:03 PM
 
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Wrong read x 2. If that's the case, why Carmen Yulin, the #1 pro independence politician in power with many resources (huge difference) with huge name recognition came #3 dead last in her own party's primary? With all of her circus and TDS and getting help from the Democrats in the states, she was rejected badly in her own party. Her own party wants nothing to do with her.



The reason Natal came #2 in the mayor's race it was because it was a 5 person race and people are tired of the 2 main party system and the hurricane and Corona responses and He split the votes 5 ways and wanted a young person from the outside new so he squeezed in to #2 but it has nothing to do that the people of San Juan wants independence, far from it. This was an election to govern a 4 year term San Juan not to push independence.



Natal, who used to be a protester from the left and threw dog food to the police in Puerto Rico and called them pigs and fascists and now he wants to be their mayor . You can't make this up. The jokers running for office down there. I mean, you throw dog food to the police and insult them below human then he wants to be their boss?



You know damn well, you takeout the Commonwealth status as an option and you independentistas would be done for good. The only reason that movement is barely alive is because of the PPD gives you life support and lets grab public funds. The PPD is the only reason Carmen Yulin got to power. She would have never made it in the Independence party so she went were she could win. That's politics but to think the indepencenc movement is growing? NO. LOL.
I know Natal, though not well. I always knew him as a decent person, but seeing his politics once he returned to Puerto Rico, I was like
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Old 11-09-2020, 06:41 PM
 
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I know Natal, though not well. I always knew him as a decent person, but seeing his politics once he returned to Puerto Rico, I was like
I saw him once. Don't know him personally. He is from the same young crowd from the elites from universities from the left like his girlfriend Lugaro (I find her more dangerous in power out of the 2) They both used to belong to the PPD (Populares) but decided they can have more control and money starting a new party which they don't have to deal with the PPD who don't want them, anyway.

Again, you can't be throwing dog food to the police and call them fascists, pigs and then ask them for their vote and to be their boss in San Juan and pretend they don't remember.

And you know damn well, if Natal would have won, his girlfriend Lugaro would be running the city. Natal is not going to keep her away from the duties of being a mayor. I have never met 2 people hungry for power that young. You thought Carmen Yulin was bad? Lugaro makes Yulin look like a teddy bear.
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Old 11-10-2020, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Philly
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MVC is explicitly for status determination not independence and I would agree, the big read isn't on status but on how fed up people are with the two main parties inability to fix what ails the island (corruption but also bureaucratic dysfunction which go hand in hand as an opaque, inefficient bureaucracy creates opportunity for corruption. that being said, no pensions is a good thing, low pay is the killer, imo. if you have a 401k you have money, the pension fund has none and therein lies the rub, there's no money for pensions yet pensioners expect to receive everything. an open question is what revenue might look like if corruption and bureaucracy are effectively addressed.

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https://www.theweeklyjournal.com/202...8281ca6a3.html

romero does seem to understand what's wrong, remains to be seen whether he will or can fix it.

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Old 12-03-2020, 12:44 AM
 
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MVC is explicitly for status determination not independence
What can be more of a determination than statehood or independence? it's clear. The leaders in the MVC are for independence (different types but for independence but gaining power is their main goal.) The reason they said they welcome statehood voters in the party because they want to win elections and be in power and they need voters from all kinds. They are not going to be pushing statehood in power. They push left wing progressivism and identity politics. Their goal is to gain power first and push their left wing independence. They learned from the PIP by not mentioning the word independence before gaining power so it's a political tactic. They will promise to fix the corruption and run the government then they will deal with the status in an assembly they will control.


The party leaders: All left wing independentistas that are for big government and less private sector.



Lugaro: Independence
Rafael Bernabe: Independence
Ana Irma Rivera Lassen: Independence
Manuel Natal: Independence by Free Association.
Mariana Nogales Molinelli : independence


It's a left wing socialist movement. The difference between them and the PIP are that the PIP are old school and they will put independence above all while MVC knows that's a failing recipe to gain power so they put identity politics, socialism and progressive politics upfront and leave the status for "wait until we get to power and we will talk". It's like a politician saying, vote for me and I will give you the details when I get to power. (wink, wink)
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