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Old 06-11-2021, 03:33 PM
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besides, training for most jobs on the island would be better served by trade schools
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Old 06-11-2021, 08:18 PM
 
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besides, training for most jobs on the island would be better served by trade schools



I agree. Most of my friends that went to college after high school are working in something different in the market and some have their own business or work for somebody that open their own business than what they went in for in college , many tell me they wasted time and they wouldn't do it again. Don't get me wrong, if you think college it's going to help you and you can handle the price tag and the the load then you go for it but more than half of all small businesses in the nation are run by people with NO college degree. They employed half of the nation employees. They are a big part of the economy.


Learn a trade and take it from there.
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Old 06-15-2021, 06:23 AM
 
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I agree. Most of my friends that went to college after high school are working in something different in the market and some have their own business or work for somebody that open their own business than what they went in for in college , many tell me they wasted time and they wouldn't do it again. Don't get me wrong, if you think college it's going to help you and you can handle the price tag and the the load then you go for it but more than half of all small businesses in the nation are run by people with NO college degree. They employed half of the nation employees. They are a big part of the economy.


Learn a trade and take it from there.

College should not be a trade school. A college should provide opportunities for critical thinking skills and explore areas that enhance the human experience. If you can master these areas, you will be better prepared for life.

As a STEM major, I may not have fully appreciated the art and music classes that were required as part of my undergraduate Baccalaureate of Arts degree. However, as more time has elapsed from when I received that degree, my appreciation of these topics has grown considerably. I am a more complete person. That is an ongoing legacy of college.
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Old 06-15-2021, 08:46 PM
 
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College should not be a trade school. A college should provide opportunities for critical thinking skills and explore areas that enhance the human experience. If you can master these areas, you will be better prepared for life.

As a STEM major, I may not have fully appreciated the art and music classes that were required as part of my undergraduate Baccalaureate of Arts degree. However, as more time has elapsed from when I received that degree, my appreciation of these topics has grown considerably. I am a more complete person. That is an ongoing legacy of college.
Luckily for you as a STEM major one can assume you benefitted from a good paying job that allows you to look back favorably.
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Old 06-15-2021, 10:43 PM
 
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College should not be a trade school. A college should provide opportunities for critical thinking skills and explore areas that enhance the human experience. If you can master these areas, you will be better prepared for life.

As a STEM major, I may not have fully appreciated the art and music classes that were required as part of my undergraduate Baccalaureate of Arts degree. However, as more time has elapsed from when I received that degree, my appreciation of these topics has grown considerably. I am a more complete person. That is an ongoing legacy of college.



College is not for everybody. Most people that I know wants to go in learn a trade and add to their English and Math skills and maybe add a 2nd language or 3rd and get out to the real world to make money and add to the economy. Not all are for the arts or "critical thinking" which in many colleges is a 1 sided lefty/socialist propaganda and one sided way to look at the world in colleges. Many people don't want to pay extra $$$$ or spend extra time in the University for things they don't need in the real world or personally want that, that gets really expensive. Like I said, College is a business.

For many what prepares you for life is curiosity, ambition, being willingness to fail and think different. That's why people that makes 58% of all small business in America never went to college or never finish college (they left after 2 years or less) and they employed over 50% of all the employees in this country which makes the America economy not only #1 in the world but the best in human history.

College for the most part is a business that teaches conformity of thought. That's good for some not for all. If you want that and want a big debt then this is a free country, go for it and pay for it. Just don't push that for everybody and make them pay for it. This isn't anything negative about your choice. You are happy and that's what it counts at the end. It worked for you and others but not for all.

This is what many colleges say is critical thinking and the worse part is they charge outrages fees for this and many make it mandatory for students and then some are shocked that some choose another route.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zy6DQoRYQw
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Old Yesterday, 07:17 AM
 
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This is the B.S. that is being taught in colleges and some people want "free college" for all for this and make the taxpayers pay for it.





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Luckily for you as a STEM major one can assume you benefitted from a good paying job that allows you to look back favorably.
I am so old that there was no STEM when I went to school. I used the acronym to avoid being specific.

You should never "assume" about someone else's life. It wasn't all roses and promotions. I faced discrimination because I was a woman in a man's field. I was seated with the clerks (all female) rather than management (all male). I was paid less than the men hired. There were clients who didn't want me as their advisor; they wanted a man. But I didn't whine about it. I got on with the job.

The point I was making in my post, was that if college helps you develop your thinking and analytical skills, your actual field of study and work doesn't matter. I did not use the college course material in my varied career, but rather the tools I learned. Almost no one ever needs to calculate the arc secant of a number, but everyone will have to evaluate choices and make critical decisions.

"College should not be a trade school. A college should provide opportunities for critical thinking skills and explore areas that enhance the human experience. If you can master these areas, you will be better prepared for life."
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Old Yesterday, 02:11 PM
 
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"College should not be a trade school. A college should provide opportunities for critical thinking skills and explore areas that enhance the human experience. If you can master these areas, you will be better prepared for life."



That's 1 option but that's not the only option that will prepared you for life. It depends on the person and his priorities. Some people especially women will put family priority over corporate career, so she makes different choices and so do men. There are lots of things that college doesn't prepared you about life because it's an institution that primary teaches conformity of thought, one size fits all. It works for some and others not. I'm glad it works for you and that's all it matters and what you bring to your house for your family.


I went to college in Puerto Rico. I was young and liked the atmosphere to be around other young students and do stuff in the island but for many of them it was a reason not to work, get Pell Grants and party but the college itself, I say more than half of the stuff they feed me I didn't need, it was a waste of federal funds (G.I. Bill thank God) and time and in some classes I felt they were trying to indoctrinate me on left/socialism ideology that it wasn't me or I had NO use for it in the real world. I had 3 professors that if they could bring their political party t-shirt as uniform to work every day and paint the classroom green (party's color) they would, that was the only thing missing because the propaganda and their version of their history was there. It's funny, for a school and jobs that depends entirely on U.S. Funds and the U.S.A. and taxpayers, I felt that I was going to school in Cuba, Venezuela or Iran. The anti-American bashing. I don't mind that if I had a choice to be there and not pay for it but universities is a business. They will make you take classes that has nothing to do in what you need in real life and charge the federal government which the taxpayers pays the bill.


If I had to start all over again, I would open a small college, hired cheap teachers and get as many students that qualify for Pell Grants. Average students that can't get in the big universities but low income that qualify for federal aid and rack them up with classes and stay in the island and make big $$$$. It's a business.
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Old Yesterday, 03:10 PM
 
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That's 1 option but that's not the only option that will prepared you for life. It depends on the person and his priorities.
I never said college was the only way to prepare for life.

I said "[. . .] A college should provide opportunities for critical thinking skills and explore areas that enhance the human experience. If you can master these areas, you will be better prepared for life."
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Old Yesterday, 03:22 PM
 
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I never said college was the only way to prepare for life.

I said "[. . .] A college should provide opportunities for critical thinking skills and explore areas that enhance the human experience. If you can master these areas, you will be better prepared for life."
Noted. But the word “should” it’s probable of outcome in life but the sure thing is a big debt you have to pay back and it might set you back in life in things you need or want to do. Life is about choices and priorities.
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