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Old 09-20-2021, 05:37 PM
 
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Do you fear that the U.S. sending the Haitians back home, may get them to take over Puerto Rico, since they are so closely together? The Dominican Republic have done a very-good job at it......

Your opinion please, and thank you!
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Old 09-20-2021, 07:29 PM
 
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No.
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Old Yesterday, 07:38 AM
 
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LOL, what?!?
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Old Yesterday, 08:29 AM
 
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No. Is this something that's keeping you up at night?
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Old Yesterday, 10:47 AM
 
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I don't sense Puerto Ricans have a "fear" regarding this and generally, I think the island will not be greatly impacted by the situation in Haiti. What will happen is a greater influence from the Haitian ordeal in Puerto Rico as there will be a larger influx of Haitians via the DR. As the sectors, both formal and informal, that can absorb them in the DR can't absorb them anymore, the extra amount will be a sort of spill of people heading further east.

Signs of this are already beginning to show, but as with everything it will be a gradual change. When people perceive it as a problem, it's because in a way it's too late to stop it. It could be slowed down, but by that point you can't truly stop it.

For example, this is becoming more common. Notice that the majority of those caught entering illegally into Puerto Rico are Haitians. Actual number of Dominicans has been falling steadily since the mid-2000's.

The article is in Spanish, but I'll translate the title. This is from August 27, 2021. As with everything, this is only the ones that are caught. Many, perhaps most, reach PR and melt into the population. Though anyone can still differentiate a Haitian from a Puerto Ricans since most of the latter don't look like most of the former, not even most black Puerto Ricans (their faces have a different look due to bone structures.)

These were captured in Dominican waters by the Dominican navy. They were heading for PR.

Armada dominicana apresa 97 haitianos y dos dominicanos saldrían a Puerto Rico en yola

Translation: Dominican Navy Captures 97 Haitians and Two Dominicans Heading to Puerto Rico in a Yola
https://hoy.com.do/armada-dominicana...-rico-en-yola/


This article in Dominican "Diario Libre" newspaper is of 48 Haitians that were caught by the US Coast Guard as they were in Puerto Rican waters heading for PR. This one dates from August 13, 2021.

https://www.diariolibre.com/rd/actua...ico-FI28130948


This type of situation where Haitians are the predominant of people attempting to enter illegally into Puerto Rico was basically unheard of as recent as the 2000 to 2010. Then things began to change.


I think if the Dominican border patrol along the Dominican-Haitian border becomes more efficient in controlling the illegal flow of Haitians which is increasing due to the deteriorating situation in Haiti, articles such as these will become less common in the future.

A few years ago drones with infrared cameras were added as part of the nocturnal vigilance in the Dominican-Haitian border. They discover caravans of illegal migrants traversing the border and the border patrols heads directly where they are. This is one case where a caravan was spotted in the middle of the night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q89hvnPUZxY

Of course, they also cross during the day. This was of a video that a Dominican took with his cellphone as he was driving close to the border abd stumbled upon this scenario. This type of thing happens because to this day many areas of the border have no physical impediment such as a fence. That would help reduce scenarios like this, but not eliminate them completely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyKivc1lIJM


The real solution to all of this is making Haiti get back on track of economic development. Until then, anything tried will help to reduce it but not eliminate it completely. Whether PR is affected by this (and the intensity of this effect) basically depends on how effect Dominicans are to reduce the flow on the border, but more importantly expressing support towards getting Haiti back on track economically.

Also, Haitians are the majority to illegally cross that border, but they aren't the only ones. About a decade ago this group of Cubans were caught attempting to cross into the DR from Haiti. They were fleeing the dictatorship in Cuba. Some of them continue to head for PR too, though nowadays most tend to settle in the DR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_zBM6zfHVM

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Old Yesterday, 06:10 PM
 
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No.

Why not?
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Old Yesterday, 07:46 PM
 
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It doesn't affect anybody until they hit your town. I don't know how they are going to land in P.R. before D.R. It depends what the Biden administration wants (We have an idea). They can't be a voting block if they stay in P.R., so they need to be kept in the U.S.


They are not refugees, they are not being persecuted by any government because if they are they would be applying for asylum at the nearest country from Haiti which the list has plenty of countries which the law demands. They are economic migrant, they have money for a cell phone and a plane ticket but they want the free U.S. healthcare, Free U.S. education, free housing voucher and food stamps and a U.S. Job.

I know Puerto Ricans, they have the "ay bendito mentality" until it comes to their town and they have to pay and deal with the problem and share the job market. That "ay bendito" turns into "no mas".
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Old Today, 10:54 AM
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Why not?
language issues
no work on the island

if anything it would be a jump off to the continent.
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