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Old 05-11-2010, 09:01 AM
 
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If I do decide to run for governor of PR, one first thing I would do is legalized Mix Martial Arts. Entice entities like UFC(Ultimate Fighting Championship). Specially since PR is a hotbed for boxers, I see why not expand the contact sports to mix martial arts, and with blessings of UFC they would open an office in San Juan to cater the Caribbean region. That is one plan for me if I do decide to run.
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Old 05-16-2010, 07:34 PM
 
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Martinique chooses to be a French colony.
Martinique is as much a part of France as Hawaii is a part of the USA.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:40 PM
 
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The progressive democrats want PR for their next voting slave group so they can stay in office forever.
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Old 10-05-2010, 04:25 AM
 
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One question, what is PR going to do if the money stops. Someone mentioned that there are many PRs on welfair. If your independent, then what? I feel it would be best for the states to cut most ties to PR and keep the money. Just research the amount of funds the US sends to PR and then decide.
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:49 AM
 
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One question, what is PR going to do if the money stops. Someone mentioned that there are many PRs on welfair. If your independent, then what? I feel it would be best for the states to cut most ties to PR and keep the money. Just research the amount of funds the US sends to PR and then decide.
Like most of the world's remaining colonies; Puerto Rico has numerous reasons to not seek independence:

1) It is opposed by the vast majority of the population (96% of Puerto Ricans voted either for statehood or for retaining colonial status in the 1998 referendum, only about 3% voted for independence).

2) If Puerto Rico voted for independence then they would lose US citizenship, the protection of the US military, the oversight of the Federal government, and most of all - the $13,000,000,000 a year that practically runs their entire island. And of course, Uncle Sam's welfare checks would also stop coming.

3) The US has strategic defense reasons to retain control of Puerto Rico. Rafael Hernandez International Airport/Joint Base Ramey has the longest runway in the Caribbean and can accommodate any aircraft in the US military inventory.

4) Independence was a disaster for much of the world. Too many countries achieved independence long before they were mature enough and developed enough to sustain themselves. This is why no colony has asked for independence since the early 1980s. Aruba took one look at Suriname and suspended the proposed plan for independence from the Netherlands in 1990; the increased income from tourism has led both of the main political parties to remove independence from their agendas. Bermuda rejected independence by a huge margin in a 1995 referendum, and recent polls indicate that independence is still opposed by the majority of the population. The only possibilities are New Caledonia (which is scheduled for an referendum on independence from France to be held in 2014) and it is very much in doubt now that France has increased their local autonomy. It is widely expected that Greenland will hold a referendum on independence from Denmark but not for at least another decade.

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Old 10-06-2010, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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I just don't think it will happen in anyone's lifetime. Forget what the island wants (which of course is very important, not saying it isn't!), the U.S. wouldn't stand for it. To have 4 million people buying US goods, frequenting US businesses, contributing a high high number per capita to the military, no way would it benefit the US for Puerto Rico to break off. With the number of Puerto Ricans in the military, you can consider all of the federal government assistance to the island an inexpensive recruiting fund. That offsets right away. Not to mention all of the investments between the two places. Can you imagine, given the fact that just as many Puerto Ricans live on the mainland, if all of a sudden Puerto Ricans on the island didn't have citizenship? What on earth would the U.S. government do? That would tear a lot of families apart. Certainly I believe you'd have a mass exodus of people fearing independence, which would be a bad situation for la isla and the mainland.

Puerto Rico may be a Greater Antilles island, but it doesn't have a large enough portion of arable land to feed its people, or come close to doing so. Many many things would still have to be shipped. Not that the DR or Cuba are doing so hot, but they are larger islands with more resources and less population density. And look at Haiti.. geez. Puerto Rico's not a Lesser Antilles island so it's not so small that it can give most of its citizens a piece of the tourist pie like, say, Barbados. From from it. La Isla is crowded! Drive through the Metro Area or Mayaguez traffic and tell me its not.

This is my opinion.. I think Puerto Rico needs to find a middle ground between the statehood and current commonwealth position. The commonwealth government is totally bloated and inefficient, and their powers should be limited to a state (but still be called a, what is it, Free Association Commonwealth). Puerto Ricans should pay some federal income tax, but less to the commonwealth, and have a certain amount of that federal money going to the island where it needs to go, not squandered by the local guys. Puerto Ricans, in return, should be able to vote for president. There's something unsettling to me about knowing that so many have spilled their blood fighting for a president they couldn't choose. Culturally, it needs to stay autonomous. Keep a PR Olympic team, a Miss Puerto Rico in the world competitions, Spanish as the #1 language. That to me would help the whole situation out, in my opinion.
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Old 10-06-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Puerto Rico
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This is my opinion.. I think Puerto Rico needs to find a middle ground between the statehood and current commonwealth position. The commonwealth government is totally bloated and inefficient, and their powers should be limited to a state (but still be called a, what is it, Free Association Commonwealth). Puerto Ricans should pay some federal income tax, but less to the commonwealth, and have a certain amount of that federal money going to the island where it needs to go, not squandered by the local guys. Puerto Ricans, in return, should be able to vote for president. There's something unsettling to me about knowing that so many have spilled their blood fighting for a president they couldn't choose. Culturally, it needs to stay autonomous. Keep a PR Olympic team, a Miss Puerto Rico in the world competitions, Spanish as the #1 language. That to me would help the whole situation out, in my opinion.
Voting for the president and paying federal taxes without being a full state? I don't know dude. I've always thought those are things to be done by states, not by colonies. Cultural independence sounds like a bad idea as well. It's like saying: "we want all the benefits, but still be outside the union". For me that doesn't fly. If PRs want more benefits, then make themselves a state, if not, find something better than the current commonwealth, which is a fiasco in my opinion. I feel like we got a lot for a territory and should be careful about nagging Uncle Sam about stuff.

As you've said, independence doesn't look like a good option right now. Hell, I will be the first to get into a plane to the States before such independence if achieved.
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Old 10-06-2010, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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And so the quagmire continues... no easy answers on this one. But the Commonwealth needs to check itself, I feel like Puerto Rico suffers because its local government sucks.
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Dorado, PR
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Where does the $13 billion figure come from?

@tony: Your statement is somewhat lost in translation, maybe you could clarify what you were trying to say.
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Old 10-08-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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In a nutshell, Puerto Rico has been a victim of colonialism and all the evils it creates in a society as a whole. Colonialism is like a self-feeding machine that somehow makes insiders impotent to change their situation. Very unfortunate, indeed.

The end effect is a certain stripping of core values in exchange for those that would please the colonizing forces.

The only way out of this would be from outside action (the dominating power imposing its will) or from heroic and revolutionary actions from inside. Unfortunately, both seem unlikely for Puerto Rico in the foreseeable future...

Meanwhile, I decided to take my young daughters and show them that there's much more world out there than beauty pageants, parties, gated communities, cars, nikes, building-size billboards, and La Comay. Very important, very important indeed.
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