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Old 10-08-2010, 12:46 PM
 
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Is there any chance Puerto Rico could gain independence from the U.S. Do many Puerto Ricans desire independence or do they prefer to be a territory...with the perks...
NO! Too many of us Boricuas have grown accustomed to the perks the come along with U.S. Citizenry, or with the handouts given to those within society who choose to contribute little and consume much; those who choose to be burdens instead of assets.

As the saying goes. . ."a man or woman will only work as hard as he or she has to." This is why so many of us Boricuas lag far behind other Hispanics. Given our privileges, we should be leaders and role models in mainland USA. But it seems like those same privileges have given us little incentive or reason to excel beyond common success in this land. After all, If things don't work out for us in the upper 48 states, we can always head back to the island where we can live with mami and papi until we can find a little mindless job to meet our basic needs.

On the other hand, most of our Hispanic counterparts don't have the same privilege. They just can't get on a plane and go home to mami and papi when things get tough in the upper 48. For them [and most Asians] their only choices are to succeed within this society, fail while trying, or return home in shame and dishonor.
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Old 10-22-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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One cannot solely blame Puerto Ricans for been on welfare, is there some type of social issue with indivudials not developing in Puerto Rico? of course. This same issue you can find it in many cities in United States, you have to understand that Puerto Rico is under the US jurisdictions with a limited government. Limited trades with other countries will surely stagnate the economy, when you can only trade with 0.000001% of the world, then it does not bring much prosperity to the island. It also applies PR is limited to trade within US territories, therefore you have a country within a country that operates as a colony.

Now, would we ever going to see a revolution in Puerto Rico? The answer would no, based on fear. If PR becomes independent is going to take an act of irony, one day some "Rogue" politician with deep American roots singing about bringing America back to America, restoring patriotism, etc. and as you see more then ever this politicians have form their own party, the tea party. One day a Sarah Palin wannabe is going to say what in the hell is an "unincorporated territory" is that a continent?

Puerto Ricos structure resembles more of Singapore, then any other island in the world. As an independent nation, people wonder if they would loose US citizenship?. The answer is no, it is the same policy US negotiated with Micronesia. In which are certain age can both file for dual citizenship something that would hardly cost the US anything, compared to if PR becomes a state.
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Old 10-27-2010, 08:38 AM
 
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One cannot solely blame Puerto Ricans for been on welfare, is there some type of social issue with indivudials not developing in Puerto Rico? of course. This same issue you can find it in many cities in United States, you have to understand that Puerto Rico is under the US jurisdictions with a limited government. Limited trades with other countries will surely stagnate the economy, when you can only trade with 0.000001% of the world, then it does not bring much prosperity to the island. It also applies PR is limited to trade within US territories, therefore you have a country within a country that operates as a colony.

Now, would we ever going to see a revolution in Puerto Rico? The answer would no, based on fear. If PR becomes independent is going to take an act of irony, one day some "Rogue" politician with deep American roots singing about bringing America back to America, restoring patriotism, etc. and as you see more then ever this politicians have form their own party, the tea party. One day a Sarah Palin wannabe is going to say what in the hell is an "unincorporated territory" is that a continent?

Puerto Ricos structure resembles more of Singapore, then any other island in the world. As an independent nation, people wonder if they would loose US citizenship?. The answer is no, it is the same policy US negotiated with Micronesia. In which are certain age can both file for dual citizenship something that would hardly cost the US anything, compared to if PR becomes a state.
Would you rather be ruled in the style of a British overseas territory? Our territories have more self government then any of the rest.

In British overseas territories, the governor is appointed by the British monarch (with the advice of the government) generally for a 3 year term, the governor in turn then appoints the chief minister, the entire cabinet, and the entire upper house. Only the lower house is elected by the people.

Micronesia, Palau, and the Marshall Islands are what are known as puppet states or client states. They are independent in name only, much like Lebanon or the former Soviet states.
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:21 PM
 
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You oviously have no idea what you're talking about.... most of my people want it independant.... nobody really wants state hood... look at hawaii 90 percent of them wish they can get it back... Puerto Rico is a spanish speaking country why should my peoples counrey americanize it?? The Russians or canadians would rather die then to lose its culture.. why should our boricua people do the same?
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So, assume they win Independence......tell me, an Island with VERY FEW natural resources, practically no farms to grow their own food, OVERPULATED, loses whatever American help it has now......then what.

Another Haiti????????
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:21 AM
 
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we will never accept a succession from the union. period. we are americans as well. thats why the independent movement{green flag} gets like what 2 percent of every vote. the notion that the island would go independent is non sense.
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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is there any chance puerto rico could gain independence from the u.s. Do many puerto ricans desire independence or do they prefer to be a territory...with the perks...

no
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Summerville
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What about going the opposite direction and becoming a full blown state.....
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:20 PM
 
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So, assume they win Independence......tell me, an Island with VERY FEW natural resources, practically no farms to grow their own food, OVERPULATED, loses whatever American help it has now......then what.

Another Haiti????????

You just mentioned Singapore. Last time I checked the Island of Singapore is one of the richest countries in the world, and their military defense is much better equipped then most countries in the world.
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Old 12-02-2010, 06:56 AM
 
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If Puerto Rico's status would change (due to the will of the people, it would be towards statehood as it has been deeply ingrained into our brains since children that the US is the be all end all. However, this is very unlikely as people prefer the current status due to its perks.

The current status is the best for most of the people. Most puerto ricans are lazy because of the handouts that the US have given us, why work when you can get food stamps worth around 300-400 monthly? Why work when Plan(section) 8 can pay you FULL rent of a 700$ house? Why work when you have free health care with no deductibles? Some municipalities (cities) even give out free appliances at some times of the year(mostly near elections as the 'poor' sector has the most votants).

And since the most unprotected sector, children, grow up in this kind of household they will likely repeat the same behaviour of their parents. Girls grow up seeing their mother who has 3-4 kids and is munching off of the government, boys see an absent father or an abusive one that just works 'under the table' (jobs that don't get reported for tax purposes in order to keep said benefits). It is a never ending cycle.

It doesn't help that the average salary for those that do get higher up education on the island isn't much above 2K. Teachers about 1.6k starting, a good part of accountants even start at min wage of 7.25$/hour (!), many other professions are like that. Little incentive to study as you will likely get a loan or two on the way so you can finish college, that plus expenses related to work and commute you will likely be living in a very similar way that the average food stamp person, but with little time for yourself and physical exhaustion.



The system that the US has implanted here helps those that do not want to work or get education and ****s over those that do. This is why most professionals move over to the mainland, government help can give you around 1-1.1k$/monthly without you moving your ass, but if you start to work full-time even at minimum wage, you will not qualify for stamps, section 8 or even health care. At the end of the day you work your ass off 8-10/hours per day to earn 2k at month's end, after all expenses are paid you have earned about 800$ (not counting expenses) more than someone who hasn't done anything at all and have more expenses such as a car, gas, etc. Not very encouraging.


As for independence, if it ever happened, we could prosper as PR has potential for eco-tourism, farming, pharmaceutics among other small industries (only if the US doesn't pull the same BS it did with Cuba). But the way PR is now it would be impossible even in a hundred years. People are baby fed and expect the government to do everything for them and on top of that are extremely proud without reason, most say I am american instead of puerto rican...

I believe congress must be laughing behind the back of puerto ricans every time the issue of statehood or independence comes to the front lines.
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Old 12-02-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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With wages so low, why are home prices so high. How do people make the mortgage payments?
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