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Old 06-02-2016, 07:12 PM
 
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Lets get this Straight. American citizenship apparently is ONE AND ONLY ONE. However what is this crap that american citizenship in Puerto Rico only works 100% if Puerto Ricans leave the island. Is it one citizenship or not? It doesn't hold water as one, and you guys know it.
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Old 06-02-2016, 08:35 PM
 
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Lets get this Straight. American citizenship apparently is ONE AND ONLY ONE. However what is this crap that american citizenship in Puerto Rico only works 100% if Puerto Ricans leave the island. Is it one citizenship or not? It doesn't hold water as one, and you guys know it.


it has nothing to do with citizenship but location. Puerto Rico doesn't have SOVEREIGNTY powers, states do! .


again this is what happens when they don't teach American Civics in the public schools in P.R.


When the 13 colonies got their independence, it was 13 sovereign nation/states that form a federal Union and the states made a contract that's call the constitution that tells the federal government under that union what they can do and what they can't and it was the states under their sovereignty that where the states get the power of representation for congress and the electoral voters for President.....it has nothing to do with citizenship but state sovereignty.......any changes to that contract it has to be approved by 2/3 of the states by their elected representatives.


This is simple to understand but for some reason Clip doesn't get it or acts like he doesn't get it.


Let me put it to you this way, if Puerto Rico gets their independence (FULL SOVEREIGNTY) and later decide to enter into a federal union with another sovereign nation or nations, the powers of sending elected representatives in that federal union and picking the electoral voters to pick the President of that federal union every 4 years or whatever years they decide comes from the powers of the sovereignty of Puerto Rico not if someones becomes citizenship of Puerto Rico.



if all it takes its U.S. citizenship to make any piece of territory in the world have sovereignty powers under the U.S. Constitution why have a states that have declared their sovereignty at all?
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Old 06-03-2016, 08:46 AM
 
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Talking Aclaración, From a colonial.

Statutory citizenship is a citizenship granted to Puerto Ricans, possibly in a congresional state of hysteria in 1917, when German u Boats were looking for bases in the Caribbean. The newly acquired possesion of Puerto Rico did not have a defined status before 1917, therefore it may have seemed to be an ideal place to start trouble.

Some here will say that Congress doesn't do anything under pressure or in a hyterical manner. However recent events after 9-11 Prove otherwise.

Citizenship, granted by a COLLECTIVE LAW was different from business as usual for an expanding nation. Most of the territories acquired beyond the Ohio River WERE IDEAL, they were Empty, or sort of. The push West, similar to Hitlers Liberstraum, was to acquire empty lands for the expansion of WHITE AMERICANS. Native people? No problem, exterminate or simply set them aside.

The Phillipines and Puerto Rico were a problem. The first one was never considered for anexation because its population would outstrip any intent at White expansion. The second conquest was populated by a basically servile looking people that many thought could eventually be absorbed. A wait and see attitude was taken. By the 1920's they figured out that moving the island to eventual statehood would be ruled out, therefore the Supreme Court, using its perogative of INCORPORATED AND UNICORPORTATED teritories decided that american citizen ship for Porto Rico was not a clear path for statehood. Different kinds of citizenship?

American incorporation of territories was not, like many Puerto Ricans think, a simple matter. All territories that were eyed for statehood were politically controlled by Anglo speaking Whites, who pushed the native populations aside, even though natives in New Nexico were a majority.

Like someone said before, American Citizenship is NATURALIZED, OR NATURAL. Puerto Rican American citizenship is neither, thus BY A COLECTIVE LAW OF CONGRESS, STATUTORY. Will this be like this forever? Nothing is forever , but thats how it stands today. One hundred percent CITIZENSHIP if you leave the island and partial, not being able to vote for the people who rule you if you stay. The new Junta, imposed by congress is the most recent example.
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Old 06-03-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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1) The Constitution doesn't say anything about "statutory" citizenship.....it only has 2 types, Natural and Naturalization citizenship. Both are protected by the Constitution and can't be taken away involuntarily by Congress. Both can be passed on to your children regardless what Congress does or what hospital in the world the children are born, if one or both parents are U.S. citizens so are the children even if they were born in a hospital in Asia or Africa or the moon.



2) German U boats????? LMAO....I don't see the connection of German U boats and U.S. CITIZENSHIP given to Puerto Rico. German U boats were sinking American merchant ships in the Atlantic ocean, that's a declaration of War. The U.S. didn't need to give U.S. citizenship to Puerto Rico in "hysteria" to deal with Germany and destroy their U boats.



3) Phillipines and Puerto Rico are wrong comparisons.....The U.S. NEVER granted the Philippines U.S. citizenship and never extended the U.S. CONSTITUTION to the Philippines or any of the U.S. safety nets to the Philippines . It has to Puerto Rico.



4) You know the definition of incorporating a territory? its extending the constitution and laws of the metropolis to the territory........does the U.S constitution applies in Puerto Rico? YES ........ does the federal laws applies to Puerto Rico? yes ....... are Puerto Ricans U.S. CITIZENS? YES........Does the U.S safety nets from welfare, social security and medicare applies to Puerto Rico? YES......then that's how you incorporate a territory.

Unless you have another definition of incorporate a territory then I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 06-03-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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Nobody said ANYTHING about taking citizenship away. However our Statutory isn't fully protected by the 14th amenment. Yes German U Boats. If you are oblivious to this and other new findings by Puerto Rican historians then its not worth discussing with you.

Read again what I wrote about the Phillipines and Porto Rico.

Puerto Rico is not an INCORPORATED TERRITORY. If you say it is then wallow in your ignorance and so be it. Im not here to teach or begin a dime y direte, I have more important things to do.
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Old 06-03-2016, 03:06 PM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organi..._United_States Rico

Puerto Rico is generally considered one of the unincorporated territories of the United States, but a 10 October 2008 case in the United States District Court for the District of Puerto Rico declared that Puerto Rico no longer remains an unincorporated territory. The court said that, although Congress has never enacted any affirmative language such as “Puerto Rico is hereby an incorporated territory,” its sequence of legislative actions from 1900 to present has in fact incorporated the territory. The court elaborated that the Congressional incorporation of Puerto Rico throughout the past century has extended the entire Constitution to the island, and today entitles the territory and United States citizens thereof to full enjoyment of all rights and obligations under the Constitution. Given the same, the territory has evolved from an unincorporated to an incorporated.[1] So far, no support to this interpretation has been issued by the Supreme Court or Congress.

On December 11, 2012, the Legislative Assembly of Puerto Rico enacted a concurrent resolution to request the President and the Congress of the United States to respond diligently and effectively, and to act on the demand of the people of Puerto Rico, as freely and democratically expressed in the plebiscite held on November 6, 2012, to end, once and for all, its current form of territorial status and to begin the process to admit Puerto Rico to the Union as a State.[2] However, the request was ignored by the Obama administration, which approved $2.5 millions to pay for education material about a new status referendum, one that would keep other status options open.
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Old 06-03-2016, 03:07 PM
 
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Nobody said ANYTHING about taking citizenship away. However our Statutory isn't fully protected by the 14th amenment. Yes German U Boats. If you are oblivious to this and other new findings by Puerto Rican historians then its not worth discussing with you.

Read again what I wrote about the Phillipines and Porto Rico.

Puerto Rico is not an INCORPORATED TERRITORY. If you say it is then wallow in your ignorance and so be it. Im not here to teach or begin a dime y direte, I have more important things to do.

tell me what part of the U.S. constitution is not cover for the U.S. CITIZENS of Puerto Rico?

you mention the 14th amendment and I don't think you really understand the 14th amendment.


It covers the Citizenship Clause, Privileges or Immunities Clause, Due Process Clause, and Equal Protection Clause.




I asked you many times how do you incorporate a territory many times and you have no clue. The constitution doesn't mention anything about incorporating a territory in details, so I ask you, isn't incorporating a territory is:

1) Expanding the U.S. citizenship to the residents of the that territory?

2) applying the U.S. constitution to the U.S. citizens of the territory?

3) Applying all federal laws and federal protections to the territory?

4) Applying all federal social safety nets from welfare, social security and medicare to the territory?




if that's NOT incorporating a territory, then I don't know what is.....but you tell me how you incorporate a territory and giving the rights of a state is NOT incorporating a territory.

Who is the ignorant here who doesn't understand American Civics or why a territory doesn't have the powers to have direct representation in Congress or have the electoral voters to vote for President?
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Old 06-03-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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this is classroom American Civic 101:

how to you incorporate a territory???


if the nation gives the residents of that territory FULL U.S. CITIZENSHIP (They only one they have), expands the Constitution to the territory, expands all federal laws and federal protection to the territory, expands all federal welfare and safety nets like Social Security and Medicare and unemployment benefits and so on then that's incorporating the territory.

Just because congress hasn't declared it officially in a law because of politics in the island and in Washington doesn't erase the actions of congress for the past 100 years to slowly incorporate Puerto Rico by expanding federal laws and federal protections.


if I'm wrong, then tell me how do you incorporate a territory? and giving them representation in congress and a vote for President are only rights given by the constitution to states, so that is not it.


Clip, I ask you for 100th time, how do you incorporate a territory, if what I posted is wrong?
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Old 01-09-2017, 05:14 PM
 
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LMAO!!!! The Planet has 196 countries and only 1 recognize the Puerto Rican Citizenship?......i'm sure when a Puerto Rican gets into political or legal trouble while in Spain they could go to the Puerto Rican Embassy in Spain or call the Puerto Rican Ambassador to Spain ....ohh such a thing doesn't exist...... err,....nevermind!


the Puerto Rican citizenship is more of a meaningless symbol for the independentistas and soberanistas of the island, that is the closest thing they are going to get to their Republic.


for the 95% of Puerto Ricans, all we need and care about is our U.S. Citizenship and U.S. Passport.

You're really stupid. If a Puerto Rican can obtain Spanish Citizenship with a P.R citizenship, automatically he will he able to live and work in any E.U country, including the 7 countries that are above USA on all development and richness rankings out there. Go back to school...in a foreign country please!!!
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Old 01-09-2017, 05:19 PM
 
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1) The Constitution doesn't say anything about "statutory" citizenship.....it only has 2 types, Natural and Naturalization citizenship. Both are protected by the Constitution and can't be taken away involuntarily by Congress. Both can be passed on to your children regardless what Congress does or what hospital in the world the children are born, if one or both parents are U.S. citizens so are the children even if they were born in a hospital in Asia or Africa or the moon.



2) German U boats????? LMAO....I don't see the connection of German U boats and U.S. CITIZENSHIP given to Puerto Rico. German U boats were sinking American merchant ships in the Atlantic ocean, that's a declaration of War. The U.S. didn't need to give U.S. citizenship to Puerto Rico in "hysteria" to deal with Germany and destroy their U boats.



3) Phillipines and Puerto Rico are wrong comparisons.....The U.S. NEVER granted the Philippines U.S. citizenship and never extended the U.S. CONSTITUTION to the Philippines or any of the U.S. safety nets to the Philippines . It has to Puerto Rico.



4) You know the definition of incorporating a territory? its extending the constitution and laws of the metropolis to the territory........does the U.S constitution applies in Puerto Rico? YES ........ does the federal laws applies to Puerto Rico? yes ....... are Puerto Ricans U.S. CITIZENS? YES........Does the U.S safety nets from welfare, social security and medicare applies to Puerto Rico? YES......then that's how you incorporate a territory.

Unless you have another definition of incorporate a territory then I have no idea what you are talking about.



Your Constitution says torture it's illegal, and yet, US Gov created Guantanamo. Is there anything more "dark" than invade a territory from a country you're not even allies to perpetrate acts that you're forbid in your own territory?? It's not about politics, it's about ethics, morale, honor. Better face the truth in P.R than live under a big lie in US.
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