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Old 10-12-2011, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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...because life is too boring without the unknown, and "tis the season", after all.

I've mentioned before that I happen to be a godless heathen who lives in an actual "haunted" house. Things have been quiet for a couple years but the strange activity has picked up again. For example, I was in the front room the other day playing Xbox (alone at home during the afternoon) when I heard a huge crash from one of the bedrooms. It literally sounded like someone had tipped over a large shelf full of china, it was that loud. I ran to the bedroom to see what the deal was; nothing was out of place. I searched the rest of the house and even went up into the attic but found absolutely no source for the sound.

Also, last month my 11 year old so burst into our bedroom late one night in a panic. He said he heard footsteps comming up the stairs (the stairwell from the basement is right next to his room); interestingly enough, it's where I saw our "ghost" a few years ago shortly after moving in. We only just barely got him to sleep in his room again, and we had to force him and stay up late until after he fell asleep to get that far. He still refuses to go into the basement alone.

I still don't think "spirits of the dead" are causing the phenomenon, but I am certain there is something to it. Ghosts have been been part of the human experience for at least as long as we've been able to write about them; religion has tried to explain them and science has tried to ignore them, but ghosts just aren't going away...nor are realistic explanations forthcomming in the near future.

Anybody wanna recount their brush(es) with the unknown?

(P.S. Non-believers need not comment, I already know what you think about the subject)

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Old 10-12-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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One time I saw the ghost of Jesus in my oatmeal. I ate it.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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One time I saw the ghost of Jesus in my oatmeal. I ate it.
Personally, I think you are crazy and should see a psychiatrist. But that's just me...
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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While I am an atheist, and I believe many if not most ghost stories could probably simply be bizarre tricks of the brain, I have no problem saying that I don't doubt that some people really do have strange, inexplicable experiences. I certainly don't believe in spirits, ghosts, etc in the traditional sense, but I also don't doubt that these apparitions may actually exist but are simply something natural that we don't understand yet. I've experienced some odd things myself, but in retrospect most are fairly easily explained, even if I can't know for certain that my explanation is correct. But I've had friends and family relate experiences to me that I simply cannot figure out, assuming they are telling the truth and remembering the incidents correctly.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:53 PM
 
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[quote=Chango;21259451 [/quote]

i AM a believer, and from the time i was 13,(a long time ago), i've seen and spoked to them. many say, it's all in the mind. yeah well...i guess my sister thought one up and transmitted her thoughts to me. because i seen what made her scream. we were asleep, i was awken by her screams. as i began to sit up and say,what's wrong. he was standing at the foot of my bed,facing me. and though he was a silhouette, i could tell he was wearing a trench coat an a fedora. we had only two bedrooms.

but three bed in my room,my sister,me and my brother. i screamded ran and jumped unto my brothers bed, (his was the closest to me). i was over him crying trying to get him to look up, he wouldn't! because he once seen what we now know as the grim reaper's image ,standing in our dresser mirror. he knew what was happening. it went away once my mother came running out of her room. my sister told my mother,she was sleep, but awaked to see the entity stooping in her face. of course he knew i would wake up, that's why he was already standing facing me. so this WASN'T in our minds!

you call yourself a " godless heathen" but at leaset you believe the truth. because you're right... it's NOT "dead people" before i found out the true ,i thought my dead mother was the one coming to see me and my family. someone told me it wasn't her,( and it wasn't a Jws that told me this). but like many, i didn't believe her. many don't want to believe their love ones are TOTALLY gone, but they are.

you said...'but ghosts just aren't going away...nor are realistic explanations forthcomming in the near future" you right concerning them NOT going away,(for now), anyway. but there is an explanation. ALL "ghost that we see, are DEMONS! after was was taught by a spiritual sister, and God's word, that it wasn't my mother. we never seen them again.

Loretta Lynn taught her grandaughter to call out the name Jehovah, if she see's it again. the young lady said she did, and she haven't seen them since. God's word shows the dead isn't floating around like many,(including most christians believe). here's what God word says concerning "SOULS"..
(1). Ecles.9:5,6,10- For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten..Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. (ministers teach there is a hell with demons torturing the whicked. but God's word shows once we die, we know nothing. in order to come back and see our living love ones, or feel the burning fire of hell. we have to have knowledge).

(2). Rom.-6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. And Rom.6:7 -For he that is dead is freed from sin. (when we die,we pay for our sins. Jehovah wouldn't be a loving OR Honest God. if he say,.. i know i said once you die,you paid for your sins, but i'm STILL sending you to a hellfire.

this is why God's word shows he doesn't want us trying to conjure up the dead. because he,Jesus,ALL those in Heaven,and mostly speaking, demons. knows it's them who's fooling humans pretending to be dead people.

Duet.18:10-12, There shall not be found among you any one that make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that use divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

the reason why demons are pretending to be dead people. is to make servants of Jehovah or any who teach that the dead isn't roaming the earth,look like liars. which he isn't trying to hurt us, but Jesus and his Father. satan doesn't want any to serve and follow these high spirit beings.

this is why God warns humans to look out for satan's tricks, (Ephe.6:11 -Put on the whole Armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles,(tricks), of the devil). there are servants of God who does know his tricks. (1Cor.2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices). i'm sorry demons scared that baby ,but they don't care who they attack.

they're mad because they know they soon will be destroyed. so they're taking it out on humans, they know they can hurt God. (Rev.12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time). i can say,call on the name Jehovah, but you have to believe how you choose to. also one can only do it ,if they believe in him. either way,i hope everything get better. peace






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Old 10-12-2011, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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...because life is too boring without the unknown, and "tis the season", after all.

I've mentioned before that I happen to be a godless heathen who lives in an actual "haunted" house. Things have been quiet for a couple years but the strange activity has picked up again. For example, I was in the front room the other day playing Xbox (alone at home during the afternoon) when I heard a huge crash from one of the bedrooms. It literally sounded like someone had tipped over a large shelf full of china, it was that loud. I ran to the bedroom to see what the deal was; nothing was out of place. I searched the rest of the house and even went up into the attic but found absolutely no source for the sound.

Also, last month my 11 year old so burst into our bedroom late one night in a panic. He said he heard footsteps comming up the stairs (the stairwell from the basement is right next to his room); interestingly enough, it's where I saw our "ghost" a few years ago shortly after moving in. We only just barely got him to sleep in his room again, and we had to force him and stay up late until after he fell asleep to get that far. He still refuses to go into the basement alone.

I still don't think "spirits of the dead" are causing the phenomenon, but I am certain there is something to it. Ghosts have been been part of the human experience for at least as long as we've been able to write about them; religion has tried to explain them and science has tried to ignore them, but ghosts just aren't going away...nor are realistic explanations forthcomming in the near future.

Anybody wanna recount their brush(es) with the unknown?

(P.S. Non-believers need not comment, I already know what you think about the subject)
This sort of post makes me smile. "It's gotta be anything but the spiritual". Come on...You (atheist) guys really ought to open your mind to possibilities. Ghosts or whatever are the first step in realizing that the spiritual side is a reality. Once a skeptic says OK, I'll open my mind to this concept, whole new worlds and possibilities unfold.

Me? I got plenty of experiences. I even saw an Orb. Me and a friend saw it. Size of a ping pong ball. Went from the floor to near the ceiling and just disappeared. We said "now that was interesting".
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Here's one my next door neighbor told me.

He was a guard at the old penitentiary in town. The prisoners had just finished their exercise and were lining up for a count. A blond headed prisoner in an old inmate uniform walks by him, towards the door of the hold, opens the door, and walks out. For a split second he's thinking no inmate would just walk out that door, then he asks an inmate standing next to him if he saw that guy walk out (he said yes). Then he rushes out into the jail yard, but he sees no one. He yells at the tower guard if he saw anyone walk out there. The tower guard hadn't seen anyone all day. He goes back in and asks the fellow guards what the count was. Everyone was there.

There are tours of the old state penitentiary, night tours are led by a paranormal specialist, and my neighbor's tale is among many ghost stories told during the tour. I took the tour but saw no paranormal activity. Some parts of the old prison are very creepy though (those parts away from the security lights). Wouldn't want to get caught there alone... under a new moon... during a blackout
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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This sort of post makes me smile. "It's gotta be anything but the spiritual". Come on...You (atheist) guys really ought to open your mind to possibilities. Ghosts or whatever are the first step in realizing that the spiritual side is a reality. Once a skeptic says OK, I'll open my mind to this concept, whole new worlds and possibilities unfold.

Me? I got plenty of experiences. I even saw an Orb. Me and a friend saw it. Size of a ping pong ball. Went from the floor to near the ceiling and just disappeared. We said "now that was interesting".
I've seen an "orb" too. I woke up in the middle of the night to see a bright white marble-sized light cruising lazily around my room near the ceiling before going out the bedroom door and down the hall. But I've also had lots of waking dreams as well as a couple sleep paralysis episodes, so I can't rightfully say it was really there...it could easily have been part of a waking dream.

Anyway we could say the same thing about you guys. Ghosts are NOT evidence of the existence of god and an afterlife any more than a photograph or digital video is proof of god. Consider this:

What would be a better primer to invent religion than a currently unknown but natural phenomenon that at face value looks like the disembodied spirits of the dead are wandering the earth? As it seems to have been going on for thousands of years, it's safe to assume our very ancient ancestors also experienced it, and drew conclusions that led to belief in god and an afterlife, not vice versa.

I think someday we'll find the answer in quantum physics, where past events (or even past humanan brain activity) might somehow be "recorded" into the quantum environment only to be replayed randomly or only when the right environmental conditions are present. It may be that such "recordings" are somehow picked up and translated directly by our brains, bypassing our other senses completely...or in other words, an environmentally stored and induced hallucination. That would explain why so many aspects of ghost sighings match up with regular hallucinations but explain why more than one person can see the same thing and report the same details.

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Old 10-13-2011, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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jojo also mentioned demons; certainly some ghost reports include direct contact/confrontation with a sentient entity, not just a "evironmental recording".

I don't think human consciousness survives death, but it isn't entirely impossible. (or at least not disprovable). I also note that "demons" or their equivilent figure into most world religions/mythologies over thousands of years too, so it's hard for me to write them off entirely as human fantasy.

It's a big universe, and who's to say non-corporeal energy-based life couldn't have evolved somewhere in the universe... and found their way here. To me it seems to be a HUGE evolutionary advantage; such a creature could "eat" any number of energy sources in the universe like solar radiation or even dark matter, and would not be encumbered by all the limitations of carbon-based life forms. An "energy alien" could cruise the universe at will, pass though just about any physical barriers it encounters and almost certainly avoid detection if it was smart enough, not to mention make itself known when it wanted to. If one has been hanging around our world for centuries observing, it would almost certainly know humans better than humanity itself and could easily pull off any so-called supernatural phenomenon it wanted to.

If such a lifeform was sentient and potentially immortal, what would there be to do except play with/harass the various species of wildlife they happen to come across, especially the superstitious, easily spooked and relatively stupid bipedal apes who happen to rule this planet? Such a creature can exist in accordance with our current scientific understanding and play the part of "evil malevolent demons" when they want or even the "ghosts of the deceased", just for their own entertainment...

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Old 10-25-2011, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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My wife swears she saw somebody walk down the hall this past weekend, past the door of the room she was in. All the kids were outside, I was here on the computer.

I guess craziness is communicable after all...
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