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Old 08-20-2014, 09:54 AM
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There is nothing supernatural about the Defeo murders.
The voices thing was part of an insanity defense and it just spiralled from there.
Had the police investigation been more thorough this would be nothing more than a plain old fashioned mass murder. It's already been proven that there was no nonsense regarding the history of the property, no indian burial grounds or witchcraft or whatever. At the end of the day it's just a plot of land with a house like any other. It is still a very fascinating story though. The Anson book was and still is a great read.
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Old 08-20-2014, 11:36 AM
 
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The Anson book was and still is a great read.
It is. But is is a "true story" in the same way The Blair Witch Project or This is Spinal Tap is a 'true story": It's not. It's all made up.
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Old 08-20-2014, 11:40 AM
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The book is mostly fiction.
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Old 08-20-2014, 11:24 PM
 
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There is nothing supernatural about the Defeo murders.
The voices thing was part of an insanity defense and it just spiralled from there.
Had the police investigation been more thorough this would be nothing more than a plain old fashioned mass murder. It's already been proven that there was no nonsense regarding the history of the property, no indian burial grounds or witchcraft or whatever. At the end of the day it's just a plot of land with a house like any other. It is still a very fascinating story though. The Anson book was and still is a great read.
That may be true but it's created an urban legend almost like no other.

I'd love to know, on what planet is a murder of an entire family, "plain and old-fashioned"?
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Old 10-01-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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Hi everyone! I grew up in Oyster Bay NY on Long Islands North Shore in the 1970s. I was a teenager during this time, and naturally, given my interests, the case intrigued me then and now.

I know that some people believe the Warren's completely, and the account given in Jay Anson's book. I know the two groups do not completely agree, but they do on certain things: The Lutz family was honest and bought the home to live in because it was an excellent deal, since it is a "stigmatized property" under NYS law (not sure if it was in effect then but the idea was, everywhere - people are not generally clamoring to by properties where a murder, suicide, or other gruesome event has taken place). That is true, weather people believe in the paranormal or not.

This fist group believes the account as given by Anson, The Warrens and The Lutz family, who bought the house after the murders.

The second group just thinks that they made the whole thing up to get a book and movie deal because they were experiencing financial problems.
They say that the Lutz's were scam artists, as were the Warren's, and that the book and subsequent movies were fictitious.
Later owner's of the house also fall into this group, with most only complaining about cars driving slowly past the house, teenagers hanging out, and wanna be witches hanging around on Halloween.

I believe something different. I grew up only 25 miles away from the house.
In the summer, between my sophomore and junior years of college, I was staying with my Aunt on Eastern LI (not in Amityville) because I had a job as a receptionist in my uncle's office. The office manager was a middle aged woman who had roots in the area going back to the 1600s. So did her husband. Her last name was the same as the first Europeans to "purchase" the home from the Native Americans in the 1600s. When I noticed it, I asked if there was any connection.

There was. That Summer I learned a great deal about the real story of the house and what had gone on from the beginning, until then. She also told me something about the current owners, that due to a chance encounter, rang true. She told me, under no uncertain terms that her husband's ancestor had been a practicing "black sorcerer" as had is ancestors in England. He was also an ordained minister in the Puritan Church (later Congregational) He and his family were expelled from Connecticut for these practices, and arrived on Long Island via the LI Sound.

That same summer, a local English Teacher, and freelance writer, was writing a book about the true story of the house. A historical, and unsensationalized
view point that did not discount what he saw as the truth about the property, and supernatural elements involved, OR the fact that certain things had been exaggerated in the book and movies.

HOWEVER, just because somethings had been made "more interesting" and the Lutz family were involved in a sort of a scam,does not mean that the house is normal and the whole story was confabulated. The Lutz's were scared out of the home, and they could not fulfill their contractual agreement, which was to live there for one year, because of disturbing paranormal events in the house. (I'll explain what the agreement was)

It would have exposed a lot of people, including the current owners, the Lutz family, and others. It also would have brought to light the nefarious and supernatural activities associated with that property, before the current house was there, before the first house and the connection to Satanism of the first European owners of the land, and why they wanted that particular piece of land so much.

In early September, the would be author of this book, a life long boater, fisherman, former lifeguard and college swim team member, took his boat out on the Peconic Bay. He knew these waters "like the back of his hand" As was his custom, he intended to alternate between fishing and writing. He had the manuscript, notes, statements and original documents with him. In short, everything that backed up his case.

He never returned to shore alive. Parts of his boat were found by rescue teams. They looked as though they had been in a hurricane.
The fiberglass Boston Whaler was destroyed. That is a pretty sturdy boat.

His body washed up on shore. There was no evidence of fowl play, and the coroner ruled the death "an accidental drowning", this from a man who was an avid swimmer and boater, and had lived on that coast all of his life. He was healthy, 42 years old with no medical problems. People who knew him said he could have swam to shore.

The manuscript and other supportive documents, some originals dating back 300 years, were never located.

I saw some of them and he told me the story and the background. I still have a signed copy of his first book, which was about ghosts.

Any thoughts or comments?
I think your story is fascinating.I have read about the De Feo family ever since I was young enough to remember. Of course I believe there is more than meets the eye.
The part where the distant relative black sorcerer was also an ordained minister is particularly noteworthy.
It doesn't take anything to debunk a story,but it takes real nerve to investgate and keep and open mind.

The word Amityville is synonymous with the DeFeo incident and probably always will be. Good job.
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Old 10-01-2014, 07:37 PM
 
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Here is a very good overview of what a bunch of hooey the "haunting" was:

snopes.com: The Amityville Horror

There are some very credible cases of hauntings out there. Amityville is NOT one of them. This was a hoax through and through. They did P.T. Barnum proud.
I posted the snopes link way back on page 8 or something, and here we are on page 17. Amazing people still take it seriously.
But this is the "unexplained mysteries" forum, so people want to believe, even if it's 100% proven to be a hoax.
It's a huge business now, the name "Amityville Horror" copyrighted, movies still being made, the children have websights with pay-per-view content, etc.
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Old 10-02-2014, 07:11 AM
 
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I posted the snopes link way back on page 8 or something, and here we are on page 17. Amazing people still take it seriously.
But this is the "unexplained mysteries" forum, so people want to believe, even if it's 100% proven to be a hoax.
It's a huge business now, the name "Amityville Horror" copyrighted, movies still being made, the children have websights with pay-per-view content, etc.
"There's a sucker born every minute." -- David Hannum
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Old 10-02-2014, 11:15 PM
 
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Wasn't this all discredited by the son?
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Old 10-03-2014, 06:05 AM
 
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Wasn't this all discredited by the son?
No. He has his own documentary out where he affirms to all the supernatural stuff, but he turns George Lutz into the true villain. According to Daniel, George Lutz was an abusive nutcase who dabbled in the occult.

I saw it in Netflix several months ago. It might be on youtube. It's actually a very well done documentary, though all it did was convince me the poor guy has mental issues, not that he's haunted.

Near the end of the movie, the filmmakers ask him if he'll take a lie detector test, and the guy goes ballistic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/mo...tary.html?_r=0
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Old 10-04-2014, 12:28 AM
 
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The Defeo's was a murder case. We know that.

Before the DeFeos and the Lutz families was land. It had been used as a Native American "holding place" for the insane.

It was bad ground.

First the DeFeos. And then the Lutz families were drawn to this plot of land. Before that, the Ketchams. Then, the Cromodys.

I would never live there. Not if you paid me.
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