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I live with ghosts and the spirit world. I was under the impression everyone posting on this forum was aware of the spiritual forces all around us.
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Originally Posted by nighthouse66
as a former paranormal investigator myself, taking a bit of umbrage with this post.
there is absolutely no consensus nor is there anything one can call "proof" of the actual composition of spirit. none. pretending to know and informing someone else is disingenuous. self-styled science can be entertaining but i really have a problem with someone claiming to know something they could never actually "know", and then try and dole that out to others as expertise. it implies a credibility which is impossible to prove, and gives weight to your statements that they simply have not earned.
there have been many, many instances of people feeling or seeing a depression on a bed or on a pillow- i would consider that anecdotal evidence. centuries of accounts of people who entered a room and saw a depression on a bed, a couch, a table, or watched them depress before their eyes. this is actually very common. there isn't really any reason to doubt this as, again, there are many instances of this occurring. is she lying about it? that i really doubt. i believe that this happened to her. doubting her story on the basis of doubting this one aspect is puzzling and simply not the mindset of any true researcher into the paranormal. one has to constantly deal with anecdotes. there is, unfortunately, NO proof of the existence of ghosts. this is because we don't have the right tools quite yet. in the meantime, anyone who claims to have proof, or tries to disprove on the basis of their own ephemeral beliefs, is doing a disservice to the field. "proof" has to have some sort of parameters. now, don't get me wrong- i completely believe in ghosts. never had a reason to NOT believe, and have experienced too much. but that doesn't mean i have PROOF that ghosts EXIST. there really is a difference and real, trained investigators know this.
its the same with your statement " In all my studies, I have never heard of a spirit revealing itself, as though still human, with the material characteristics of a human body.". either this was poorly worded and communicated something that isn't clear, or else you have not been studying for long. i would say that at least a third of the sightings i have read about, spoken with others about, classic cases from the past etc have been just this type of manifestation- normal, no clouds, no shrouds, no chains. just someone walking down a hall seen out of the corner of someone's eye. this is a very puzzling statement, and since you are styling yourself as a researcher and someone who "studies", you have to be called on that. again, it could be your wording i am misunderstanding.
ok, now for the OP. what no one has brought up- including our "investigator"- is this question- have you done any remodeling recently? have you made any sort of improvements or redecorated any part of your home? generally spirits tend to get stirred up if things in their environment change. even moving furniture around could cause this. think back- have you moved any large objects in and out of the basement or made any sorts of household changes of that nature?
i am surprised that you didn't instantly connect that cat manifestation with your passed pet. that could be connected.
has your family undergone any sort of stress together recently? anything that could have broken down or thinned your defenses or brought stress (not just everyday life, but cataclysmic). any important anniversaries recently?
if it were just a bunch of strange feelings and some orbs in a photo, i would probably not call it paranormal. but when you are actually feeling something touch you, hearing a voice in your ear, this sounds like it could be an actual manifestation of something. but it doesn't sound AT ALL like anything that would hurt you.
I would like to point out also that the land the house is built on could very well be inhabited by spirits. Also when/if people buy used or antique furniture there could be spirits attached to that.
No one knows what various forms spirits can and do take on.
yes, that is true. could have nothing to do with the house itself. hadn't thought of that. and "black hoodie" could also be a cowl, or monk's robes. naturally living with a teenaged boy who wears hoodies one would instantly make that connection. which, actually, gives even more weight to what she is saying. if she had said, "i saw a spooky monk in a robe" that could be just imagination. interesting angle. and thank you for the compliment!
You asked if we did any remodeling and my jaw dropped. It's been non stop remodeling beginning about a year and a half ago.. and that's when things started happening here. We hadn't done anything to the home before this except for painting the rooms. But within the last year, we've torn down walls, remodeled the baths and kitchen, added windows where there were none, ripped up flooring,and broke through into the rental apartment to include that in our living area. We even did a lot of work in the yard ripping out old fencing and decking. We've done a lot of major work here lately.
Family stress.. yes, I won't go into it, but there has been an issue that has upset the whole family. It's made us closer but the stress of the situation is weighing heavily on all of us.
I didn't make the connection to the cat sighting with the cat I had to put down until I wrote it here. If it was my cat Blackie, I can understand that. He was my baby and I cried a river of tears when I had to put him down. He always slept on my bed too. So, it makes sense that it might have been him.
Do you have any theories on what else or who could be here? or are they just random spirits passing by and they want someone to acknowledge that they're here?
wow! ok. then this all makes alot more sense. remodeling, grading the landscape, any sort of change can stir spirits up. again, this is not an exact science and i don't want to make the mistake of the other poster in assuming expertise where i have none. one can only say what is likely and what cannot be put down to natural forces, electrical issues, and so on, based on past experiences and anecdotal evidence. none of these things sound like they are phenomenon that can be explained away by faulty wiring, pipes knocking in the walls, or anything like that. but the fact that you HAVE done remodeling and HAVE had a major family stressor really indicates to me that something truly paranormal is going on. this is coming from my armchair, so to speak, and i am not there and cannot really give you a definitive answer, but the weight of your experience points to that.
if your cat was that close to you (and i have a cat, so i know how much they can crawl into your heart and live there forever), then he might be coming back to comfort you. or else, he is simply returning to where he felt most comfortable. either way, i would take comfort in that.
if i were you, i would do some investigating. pull a property fische if you can. find out any history of the land from your neighbors, if you have that sort of relationship. find out the history of the house and the land and you might find some clues as to what could be occurring.
again, tho, i don't think you have anything to be afraid of. cold comfort at the moment probably, and its probably very very spooky to experience, but i think once you find out a little more history you will get an idea and once you know something it helps to ease the fear.
most spirits can be put into two categories- those that are trying to make contact, and those that are simply locked into their environment and repeat actions over and over again. its hard to say which is going on, but the fact that someone whispered "hey" in your son's ear points to the former. seems like a friendly and nonthreatening gesture, in any case.
good luck, and i am glad that my post helped you put some stuff together. please let us know what you find out!
The house is 20something years old. The original owners got divorced and then we bought it. Nothing traumatic happened while they lived here and nothing really traumatic happened while we've lived here either. According to what the neighbors said they seemed like a pretty normal family.
My in-laws were living in our rental apartment on the first floor and they both passed away 8 years ago, but considering their age it wasn't unexpected. My mom in law passed away in the hospital, and my father in law passed away soon after. We always said he wanted to be with his wife because they were inseparable in life.
The experiences I've had here are that I could have sworn I saw someone dressed in dark clothes with a dark hoodie go into my bathroom. I assumed it was my son, but I waited and I could see the bathroom door from where I was and nobody ever came out, nor did I hear any noise. So, I knocked on the door but the room was empty. I figured it was just my imagination.
The other experience I had here was when I was planning on going to bed. I was standing at my bedroom door, the lights were on in the bedroom so I could see a little bit into the hallway and I was calling my dog trying to get her to come in the room, but I could see my black cat walking down the hallway coming towards my bedroom. I didn't want the cat in my room so I kept calling the dog all the while keeping my eye on the cat, planning to shut the door, or shoo her away if she tried to get in the room, but once the cat came up to the light from the bedroom that was spilling into the hall, it wasn't there any more. It was weird. I know I saw the cat. I could see the body and a little bit of eye shine and I watched it walk down the hallway without taking my eyes off of it.
and for the last 6 mos. we've had what sounds and feels like someone sitting on my side of the bed. My bed is attached to a brass headboard so when I sit on the bed it makes a distinctive creaking noise. Both the headboard and the mattress creak. When I'm in the bed I sometimes can feel my side of the bed go down like someone sat on it and I hear the bed and my headboard creak at the same time. My husband has experienced this also. He was in the bedroom the other day when he heard the creaking noises and he thought I came into the room and sat down, but it wasn't me or anyone.
Until these things started happening, I've never had any creepy feelings in this house and that's one of the reasons I bought it. I could go into the basement in the middle of the night, and into the spare bedroom or the foyer but now the whole house feels eerie to me. I keep expecting to see someone every time I go into a room. The whole place creeps me out now.
Please enjoy your home and try to not feel creeped out. I always enjoy any paranormal experiences I have. Try to just relax. Don't dwell on it. Don't think about it at all. Live your life. You may never have another experience or you may; in any event take things as they come. Go with the flow.
I've had a LOT of the similar experiences you have. I've felt a spirit sit down on my bed,move the covers, heard my deceased cat running through the house at night. It's all good. If you want to-talk to the entity/spirit. If you don't want them there,tell them so. Nicely please
Very interesting posts. I have read about spirits being able to come into the home on furniture etc. brought into the home. I read once about a not so nice spirit that came into a home on a bunk bed set that a family bought.
as a former paranormal investigator myself, taking a bit of umbrage with this post.
there is absolutely no consensus nor is there anything one can call "proof" of the actual composition of spirit. none. pretending to know and informing someone else is disingenuous. self-styled science can be entertaining but i really have a problem with someone claiming to know something they could never actually "know", and then try and dole that out to others as expertise. it implies a credibility which is impossible to prove, and gives weight to your statements that they simply have not earned.
there have been many, many instances of people feeling or seeing a depression on a bed or on a pillow- i would consider that anecdotal evidence. centuries of accounts of people who entered a room and saw a depression on a bed, a couch, a table, or watched them depress before their eyes. this is actually very common. there isn't really any reason to doubt this as, again, there are many instances of this occurring. is she lying about it? that i really doubt. i believe that this happened to her. doubting her story on the basis of doubting this one aspect is puzzling and simply not the mindset of any true researcher into the paranormal. one has to constantly deal with anecdotes. there is, unfortunately, NO proof of the existence of ghosts. this is because we don't have the right tools quite yet. in the meantime, anyone who claims to have proof, or tries to disprove on the basis of their own ephemeral beliefs, is doing a disservice to the field. "proof" has to have some sort of parameters. now, don't get me wrong- i completely believe in ghosts. never had a reason to NOT believe, and have experienced too much. but that doesn't mean i have PROOF that ghosts EXIST. there really is a difference and real, trained investigators know this.
its the same with your statement " In all my studies, I have never heard of a spirit revealing itself, as though still human, with the material characteristics of a human body.". either this was poorly worded and communicated something that isn't clear, or else you have not been studying for long. i would say that at least a third of the sightings i have read about, spoken with others about, classic cases from the past etc have been just this type of manifestation- normal, no clouds, no shrouds, no chains. just someone walking down a hall seen out of the corner of someone's eye. this is a very puzzling statement, and since you are styling yourself as a researcher and someone who "studies", you have to be called on that. again, it could be your wording i am misunderstanding.
ok, now for the OP. what no one has brought up- including our "investigator"- is this question- have you done any remodeling recently? have you made any sort of improvements or redecorated any part of your home? generally spirits tend to get stirred up if things in their environment change. even moving furniture around could cause this. think back- have you moved any large objects in and out of the basement or made any sorts of household changes of that nature?
i am surprised that you didn't instantly connect that cat manifestation with your passed pet. that could be connected.
has your family undergone any sort of stress together recently? anything that could have broken down or thinned your defenses or brought stress (not just everyday life, but cataclysmic). any important anniversaries recently?
if it were just a bunch of strange feelings and some orbs in a photo, i would probably not call it paranormal. but when you are actually feeling something touch you, hearing a voice in your ear, this sounds like it could be an actual manifestation of something. but it doesn't sound AT ALL like anything that would hurt you.
Who are you to condemn me?
You must realize (if you are who you say you are) there are many schools of thought regarding spirits, and the paranormal.
If you are, or were engaged in study, as you claim, you would know this.
It is not an exact science, and many things considered paranormal behavior are open to interpretation.
I perhaps know of things in the field that are contrary to what you may know, and vice versa.
To condemn with no hint of my involvement in this field is somewhat disingenuous on your part.
As with anyone who studies this subject, I too must make an informed decision of a particular study I may be involved in.
If you have a alternative opinion to mine,that is fine.
That just means we have not read, or based our opinions on the same group of facts, that our studies were from different sources.
You came across as being the second coming of Christ in your better than thou attitude.
I base my opinions on what I have read, heard, and been involved in over the years.
You yourself stated you don't know the makeup of the spirit.
That tells me you have not read anything that would broaden your thinking as to what the spirit is comprised of.
I on the other hand have, and the example I stated in the post was as a result of what I can only conclude , is a reliable source.
To say that no one knows is a deposition of your lack of involvement in the study of spirits.
It would appear from your further post in answer to the OP, many of your remarks and opinions are based, not on spirit behavior, but everyday common sense.
You asked about any remodel of the house, changes in decorating, emotional matters concerning the occupants of the house.
Any one , even a layman, in the field would assume these actions might possibly result in paranormal behavior.
Frankly, as much as you tried to discredit me, I think you aren't nearly as brilliant as you would have us believe you are.
Not knowing you, I can't say for sure, but I think it safe to say that I have been involved with the study, and research of spirits, and the afterlife, longer than you have been living.
You know nothing of me, or my background, and to post on a public forum your unfounded remarks concerning my state of knowledge in the field is disingenuous to say the least,and you will waste no more of my time.
Bob.
I hate basements, man. Don't ever want to buy a house with one.
But my personal feelings aside -- I'd check to see if the original owner is still alive.
Basements....creepy spots! I don't mean to hijack this thread, just add my experiences. When I was a kid I was always afraid of the basement, to sum it up. Years later, after I was grown and married, my mother finally told me the basement did have a "history". The previous owner hung himself in the basement, right in the spot I was so afraid of That house is long since torn down, guess the ghost finally left, too!
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That house is long since torn down, guess the ghost finally left, too!
