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Old 10-02-2012, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I'm going to tell a story that is still a traumatic event from my childhood and has been repeated in my family at gatherings for the past 40 years or so.
I grew up in a small Texas town and on a street where about half of us were relatives. I was about 9 when this happened which would have been around 1972. This story revolves around my Great Aunt Tootise and her daughter Francis, my aunt. Aunt Tootsie was certainly the Matriarch of the family group living on that street and had strong, dominating personality. Very religious Baptist. She commanded respect. She was strict with her children and especially her youngest daughter, Francis. She always told her to remain pure until marriage. Well, Tootsie died of a heart attack in 1969 and I remember they had her wake in her home which was right across the street from me. It was a big, 2 story home that today reminded me of the house on the Munsters. I was scared the night of the wake knowing a dead person was across the street.

Two years later Francis got pregnant and was not married. I don't think it was a big deal at the time because Francis was a RN, stable, and her boyfriend took full responsibility. They were young adults. A beautiful little girl named Carmen was born.
A few months later, just before daybreak one morning I heard this horrible screaming and crying outside and I knew it was coming from the street. I rushed outside to find a lot of family gathered around my Aunt Francis who was insanely crying while holding what I knew was Carmen in a blanket in her hands. She was of course dead.
Later that day I heard this part of the story for the last time. My mother and other adults were saying that during the night Francis had awakened to see the image of her deceased mother, Tootsie, standing over the crib of Carmen. Francis said she thought she was dreaming and though startled she fell back to sleep. It was a few hours later that she got up to check on Carmen and found that she was not breathing and was dead.
That story has been told, with straight faces by my elders and several reunions. I've even told my kids and wife about it. My Aunt Francis died about 5 years ago but she never wavered from that story. It always gives me goosebumps some 40 years later.


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Old 10-02-2012, 07:20 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Is the assumption Tootsie's evil and responsible for the childs death?

Perhaps she was there to guide the child to the other side?
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Is the assumption Tootsie's evil and responsible for the childs death?

Perhaps she was there to guide the child to the other side?
I've asked myself that all these years and I have no answer.


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Old 10-02-2012, 08:16 PM
 
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I think when people are deeply dreaming they confuse reality with fantasy and/or dreams.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It would appear that the story being told over the years at family gatherings is an attempt to put the blame on the child's death squarely on Aunt Tootsie.
I believe the child died of "sudden death syndrome", and the aunt's spirit was there to guide the child to the other side, nothing more.

Bob.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:16 AM
 
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That's very sad. I'm sorry for your family's trauma.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:19 AM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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I'm going to tell a story that is still a traumatic event from my childhood and has been repeated in my family at gatherings for the past 40 years or so.
I grew up in a small Texas town and on a street where about half of us were relatives. I was about 9 when this happened which would have been around 1972. This story revolves around my Great Aunt Tootise and her daughter Francis, my aunt. Aunt Tootsie was certainly the Matriarch of the family group living on that street and had strong, dominating personality. Very religious Baptist. She commanded respect. She was strict with her children and especially her youngest daughter, Francis. She always told her to remain pure until marriage. Well, Tootsie died of a heart attack in 1969 and I remember they had her wake in her home which was right across the street from me. It was a big, 2 story home that today reminded me of the house on the Munsters. I was scared the night of the wake knowing a dead person was across the street.

Two years later Francis got pregnant and was not married. I don't think it was a big deal at the time because Francis was a RN, stable, and her boyfriend took full responsibility. They were young adults. A beautiful little girl named Carmen was born.
A few months later, just before daybreak one morning I heard this horrible screaming and crying outside and I knew it was coming from the street. I rushed outside to find a lot of family gathered around my Aunt Francis who was insanely crying while holding what I knew was Carmen in a blanket in her hands. She was of course dead.
Later that day I heard this part of the story for the last time. My mother and other adults were saying that during the night Francis had awakened to see the image of her deceased mother, Tootsie, standing over the crib of Carmen. Francis said she thought she was dreaming and though startled she fell back to sleep. It was a few hours later that she got up to check on Carmen and found that she was not breathing and was dead.
That story has been told, with straight faces by my elders and several reunions. I've even told my kids and wife about it. My Aunt Francis died about 5 years ago but she never wavered from that story. It always gives me goosebumps some 40 years later.


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This is one of the most tragic tales I've heard. Tootsie sounds like a control freak. And a religious fanatic.

Obviously in Tootsie's narrow world Carmen colored outside of the lines a bit. Perhaps old Tooots exacted justice from the grave.

I have never heard of this before but I have a very diverse and eclectic spiritual heritage and knowledge of what can happen I am a Christian plus. In other words I believe more than what I was taught in Sunday School.

I believe in the following - as in life, so in death. Dead people do not automatically become good because they died. As a psychic, which I am, I have a prediction to make. Every single persom oh this forum will die - someday. And when we do we will not become agels. Our body will not exist anymore and we will go elsewhere - with the same personality, the same bumps and warts and the same good qualities.

I have a relative by marriage who was a very harsh woman. I believe that before I knew of such things that she wished ill on me. I sought help and learned how to bind her.
My life is better now.

I am a university educated woman and I believe this.

I do not rule out that your Great Aunt had a hand in this.

Do not be afraid but I would protect myself - just in case.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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It would appear that the story being told over the years at family gatherings is an attempt to put the blame on the child's death squarely on Aunt Tootsie.
I believe the child died of "sudden death syndrome", and the aunt's spirit was there to guide the child to the other side, nothing more.

Bob.
Yes. The official cause of death was SIDS.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Piedmont, OK
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Thanks for sharing your story. I am not as knowledgable about these things as others on the forum, but I am a nurse, RN. And SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) is not really any sort of disease or cause of death at all, simply means the infant stopped breathing. They do not know what causes SIDS or how it happens, just that it does happen. Interesting post...
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:27 AM
 
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I believe in the following - as in life, so in death. Dead people do not automatically become good because they died. As a psychic, which I am, I have a prediction to make. Every single persom oh this forum will die - someday. And when we do we will not become agels. Our body will not exist anymore and we will go elsewhere - with the same personality, the same bumps and warts and the same good qualities.
I've often wondered about this myself, especially considering that a good portion of one's outlook and personality is impacted by their body's physiological/biochemical 'climate'. Once free from their body and what could be some serious physiological imbalances that accompanied it, I could see, at least theoretically, where some might undergo quite the improvement in their overall condition. Maybe not to the point of being instant saints and angels, but definitely an altered perspective on things.

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