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Old 02-10-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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I was watching a Russian documentary yesterday and came across interesting facts about curse of a name in marine history.
(On the side, remark - I started typing this, and hit a wrong button on the keyboard, that froze my computer)
Anyhow.

Admiral Nakhimov, or Nahimov. During siege of Sevatopol in the 19th century, he committed the worst crime against marine honor - he sunk all of his fleet ships, to create an underwater barricade, preventing French from entering the bay.
Thereafter, every ship bearing his name, sunk or was destroyed under questionable circumstances.
In 1880s, a cruiser bearing his name, was built and moved to Pacific. Was sunk by Japanese in 1905.
In 1913, a cruiser with his name plate, was started in 1913, and finished after revolution, in 1927. It was named Red Ukraine, but the name plate Nahimov was still on it, hidden inside. Was sunk by Germans in 1941
Rocket cruiser Nahimov was finished in 1954. It was allegedly gunned down by a friendly fire in the Black Sea, in 1961. Other version says, government activated a nuclear bomb underneath it, to see how underwater nuclear explosion works.
In 1973, scientific vessel Admiral Nahimov, was sunk by a hurricane in 1973.
Large anti submarine vessel Admiral Nahimov collided with a submarine in 1985 and was scrapped thereafter.
Passenger ship Nahimov collided with a cargo steam boat and sunk, killing hundreds of people.

Same documentary said, that overall, there were 7 vessels named Andrea Doria, all of them sunk.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:49 AM
 
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Wayne.... it seems to be found as a middle name for quite a few serial killer types
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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I was watching a Russian documentary yesterday and came across interesting facts about curse of a name in marine history.
(On the side, remark - I started typing this, and hit a wrong button on the keyboard, that froze my computer)
Anyhow.

Admiral Nakhimov, or Nahimov. During siege of Sevatopol in the 19th century, he committed the worst crime against marine honor - he sunk all of his fleet ships, to create an underwater barricade, preventing French from entering the bay.
Thereafter, every ship bearing his name, sunk or was destroyed under questionable circumstances.
In 1880s, a cruiser bearing his name, was built and moved to Pacific. Was sunk by Japanese in 1905.
In 1913, a cruiser with his name plate, was started in 1913, and finished after revolution, in 1927. It was named Red Ukraine, but the name plate Nahimov was still on it, hidden inside. Was sunk by Germans in 1941
Rocket cruiser Nahimov was finished in 1954. It was allegedly gunned down by a friendly fire in the Black Sea, in 1961. Other version says, government activated a nuclear bomb underneath it, to see how underwater nuclear explosion works.
In 1973, scientific vessel Admiral Nahimov, was sunk by a hurricane in 1973.
Large anti submarine vessel Admiral Nahimov collided with a submarine in 1985 and was scrapped thereafter.
Passenger ship Nahimov collided with a cargo steam boat and sunk, killing hundreds of people.

Same documentary said, that overall, there were 7 vessels named Andrea Doria, all of them sunk.
It stands to reason, does it not that if there is a problem with a ship it is going to sink? Other than exploding or burning up (and then sinking, ostensibly), what else would a ship do? Does necessarily mean that there is some kind of inherent curse? It's the natural thing for a ship to do sooner or later. Granted, they might have sunk SOONER, which is unfortunate.

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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Nahimov is told to become a curse AFTER he sunk his fleet in 1850s, during the seige. Andrea Doria was said to have a terrible life, that took its toll on the ships, named after him.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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It stands to reason, does it not that if there is a problem with a ship it is going to sink? Other than exploding or burning up (and then sinking, ostensibly), what else would a ship do? Does necessarily mean that there is some kind of inherent curse? It's the natural thing for a ship to do sooner or later. Granted, they might have sunk SOONER, which is unfortunate.

20yrsinBranson
Yes, of course, very pragmatically speaking, you are right. Though plenty of vessels out there still chugging along for, sometimes, hundreds of years. And say Titanic was claimed to be that way, so was Doria - and see what happened.
I think, everyone dies, right? But some bloodlines have statistically unexplainable high rate of suicides or criminals, or something else "bad" in them. Same goes for those two marine vessels names.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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Numerically Nakhimov is 39, a triple 13. In many spheres and cultures the number 39 is bad luck.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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Numerically Nakhimov is 39, a triple 13. In many spheres and cultures the number 39 is bad luck.
Explain, please. Very interesting.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:46 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Are you familiar with Numerology? Letters convert to numbers for a total sum, with this name equaling 39.

39 > 13 x3, triple 13's. Associated with superstitions, misfortunes and bad luck as with the dreaded #13.

You can Google number 39 in Numerology, for various opinions, legends and accounts.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:08 PM
 
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Sorry, but I am not interested in Numerology, though I do understand the principles behind it and do NOT deny them. I am simply not interested.
But from your kind explanation, I do not see how Nakhimov is related to the number 13.

As a side dish, 13, 7, 21 have always been lucky numbers to me; 14 is historically a "bad" one, but yes, I agree with widely accepted concept of 13 being a "bad" number.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:03 PM
 
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Michael is a cursed name.
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