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Old 07-14-2017, 12:35 AM
 
Location: PRC
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While I believe there is life beyond earth....this whole thing is a giant retread of the whole "face on mars" meme that floated around for decades and decades which turned out to be a rock outcropping with crappy photo quality.
You can go all over our own world and "see" rock formations that look like faces or animals or a host of different things.
Just look at the thread title presenting this as concrete proof. lol.
No-one denies that people see faces in clouds or on burnt toast, etc etc but you appear to be suggesting all of these artifacts seen on Mars are in the same class. Many people will not agree with you and will say there is a conspiracy to avoid the truth.

Take the Martian environment and wind for example.
Everyone seems to forget that the atmosphere on Mars is much much thinner than on Earth and the wind erosion is also less since the wind is weak. This obviously means that rocks do not get weathered as evidenced from the rover images. There are no nice smooth holes in rocks, no nice weathered pillars of rock like we see here on Earth. The wind is so weak it cannot even pick up the small 5mm 'blueberries' or blow them around. There is no flowing water so wind erosion and radiation are the only types found there.

If there were forceful winds blowing 'dust devils' around the planet, cleaning the MER rovers solar panels, leaving swept areas of ground, winds which were eroding 'bleuberries' from rocks, then we would see piles of blueberries at the base of a rock where they had been waiting for the wind to erode them from their rock home. We would see piles of 'blueberries' blown by this forceful wind and blown into drifts and piles between the rocks. We dont see any of these things. To persuade us, NASA shows us a movie of 'dust devils' moving across the martian landscape but there is no localised evidence of a strong wind from the rover images.

Is it any wonder there are people who think NASA are hiding the real truth when there are fundamental holes (as in the previous paragraph) in the data they are presenting to us by their scientists. Conversely there are people who believe everything those same scientists say. This is the basis for the two sides of the argument.
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Alone this says nothing. Alone this means nothing.

It does not matter that "many" think that NASA is hiding stuff. That is not evidence nor is it pertinent to this conversation.

It is the same shtick as "ancient alien theorists believe". It has no meaning and is not proof.
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:55 AM
 
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Do you want to read a weird theory?

Am I correct in saying that it is accepted by the schooled community of scientists that Mars was very earth-like at one time? What if God and the angels were definitely corporeal? Maybe not much different than we are. Their home was Mars. The great battle with Lucifer was on Mars.

In that battle, that planet was ruined...and the "creation" was the seeding of life on earth by these beings, what some millions of years later refer to as God and the angels. Maybe the Earth was a refuge, until they eventually died off.

Just a fascinating "what if". But if you have a lifelong struggle with spirituality, its even more a captivating discussion.

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Old 07-16-2017, 11:04 AM
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There are a lot of odd looking things not only on Mars but the Moon as well. Many can be dismissed but a few look really strange. I don't find it hard to believe that civilization existed on other worlds like these. They may have came and went millions of tears before we came to evolve on Earth.

Millions of years in the future, a distant civilization might send a probe and debate the same thing. I would bet on a distant world a being may be looking up wondering about whats out there.

NASA, Government and TBTB will never make an official announcement on this subject. It will take an independent agency or scientist to sound the alarm once proof is found, if it ever is.

The big letter agencies only see potential conflict among us over this question being answered. When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail as they say.
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Old 07-16-2017, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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There are a lot of odd looking things not only on Mars but the Moon as well. Many can be dismissed but a few look really strange. I don't find it hard to believe that civilization existed on other worlds like these. They may have came and went millions of tears before we came to evolve on Earth.
How are the odd looking things on Mars and the Moon any different than the many odd looking things you find here on Earth?

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Old 07-16-2017, 06:54 PM
 
Location: PRC
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How?? Other planets are not supposed to have ever had intelligent life, so anything which MAY have been made by intelligent life is odd.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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How?? Other planets are not supposed to have ever had intelligent life, so anything which MAY have been made by intelligent life is odd.
He is speaking of odd looking things made by non-intelligent/sentient life.

Odd rock formations on earth, odd shapes found in nature.

We have them here and it is not mystery or proof of intelligent life on other planets.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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NASA, Government and TBTB will never make an official announcement on this subject. It will take an independent agency or scientist to sound the alarm once proof is found, if it ever is.
This is a claim I often see and have yet to see any evidence backing it up.

Not only do the Agencies have a lot to gain by finding extraterrestrial life they are made up of thousands of people who would blow the whistle even if the Agencies themselves did not wish to for some weird reason.
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:00 PM
 
Location: PRC
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This is trotted out every time anyone says the government is keeping secrets from us.
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Not only do the Agencies have a lot to gain by finding extraterrestrial life they are made up of thousands of people who would blow the whistle even if the Agencies themselves did not wish to for some weird reason.
Of course they are keeping secrets. The nuclear bomb was made by thousands of people in many different factories and still amazingly, it managed to be kept secret. Compartmentalization it seems keeps the secrets.

The FOIA requests have revealed the goverment does not want the knowledge of aliens to be commonly known. NASA regularly cut the feed to the ISS whenever anything interesting happens out in space. Whistleblowers have told us that UFOs quite often mess with electrics of the weapons silos.
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The problem is that there are people that do not even need something like that. They read on the Internet that the Government is hiding it and believe that because they want to believe that.

When asked why the Government would hide evidence of aliens they often parrot "Because people cannot handle it!", but of course they can handle it. So in the end it is self validation that they are better than everyone else because they "know".
If I recall, a couple of decades ago the federal government hired the Rand Corporation to find out if, indeed, humans could handle the existence of aliens.

They concluded that humans could not, and that's the way it has stayed.

Of course, the obvious question is: why did the government even want to know?

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