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Old 03-31-2015, 07:36 AM
 
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One thing that boggles my mind at least is that with almost everyoner these days haveing a smart phone with camera, we don't see much UFO footages/pictures.

It seems that almost all the footages in UFO/aliens documentaries are old and overplayed. One would think someone should have captured some high def movie/picture of some form of craft.
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Old 03-31-2015, 07:39 AM
 
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And that's exactly the point. It's trying to make a case based on what we do not know. That's understandable, but it isn't reasonable. It's interesting that you mention that it can be assumed much bigger things can be kept from the public because governments keep very classified information. Making an assumption is not in itself always factual, and assumptions can sometimes be quite wrong.

That's not to say governments don't keep classified secrets. Of course they do. If you think about it, the reason why NASA sent astronauts to the Moon was because John Kennedy established a goal that we would land a man on the Moon before the end of the 1960's. That was a public declaration though, not a classified secret. It was in relation to the "Space Race" which in itself was in relation to the "Cold War" between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. As you know, most of the Apollo astronauts, including those who landed on the Moon, were members or former members of the U.S. military. The U.S. is the only country that has ever sent anyone to the Moon.

The point about Antarctica was in relation to what you said, that "...we don't have a way to go there." I agree, that's true. There is no way at the present time for the general public to go to the Moon to whimsically frolic around, although that would be pretty cool to do. Not very many people have actually gone to the deep interior of the frozen continent. And those who have usually did so with government funding in the form of grants. Could there have been secret conditions to those missions and grants? I wouldn't be surprised if there were some kind exploratory purposes to determine various kinds of military advantages.
http://history.nasa.gov/Apollomon/Apollo.html

In any case, the point about Antarctica was that just as the general public don't have a way to go to the Moon, neither do they have a way to go deep into Antarctica. It doesn't matter if it's it's on the Earth oor the Moon. So the point is indeed relative.


What kind of resources are there on Earth that would be of any great interest to an ET, assuming any ET's have ever been in the neighborhood?

I agree with you in that I'm not sold on the notion of any artificial structures on the Moon. I'd want to see conclusive proof. Fuzzy images don't count. The idea of artificial alien structures on the Moon was based on seeing images that were definitely not clear and have a host of more reasonable explanations that have nothing to do with aliens. Seeing artificial structures on the Moon simply gets down to nothing more than pareidolia. A lot of that concept has come from people like Richard Hoagland.

I also agree with you that there may well be other forms of intelligent life from elsewhere in the galaxy, although it's hard to imagine any visiting Earth. The problem is that there is only speculation and no conclusive evidence. Maybe life is a lot more common than we currently know. Or maybe life on Earth is a rare fluke in the cosmos. We don't yet know if there is any kind of life anywhere else in the galaxy or the solar system. If there is any other life in our solar system, my bet would be microbial life on Mars. On the other hand, if Mars proves to have always been lifeless, even though conditions may have been suitable for life in the distant past, I wouldn't be surprised with that either. Is there life elsewhere in the cosmos possible? Yes, it's possible. But that's about all we can say at the present time. It can't be ruled out, but we have no evidence to support it apart from speculation.
You're right, there have been so many speculations about this topic. It seems that the speculations based on no evidence can range from 'we are the only smart life forms' to 'there are civilizations thousands of years ahead of us who are watching us'
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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Post #5 shows a supposed Satellite dish with a side photo of a human built one. Why would these supposed aliens build a satellite dish like ours? They would be way ahead with that form of technology.

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Old 03-31-2015, 12:38 PM
 
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Post #5 shows a supposed Satellite dish with a side photo of a human built one. Why would these supposed aliens build a satellite dish like ours? They would be way ahead with that form of technology.

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The reverse could be true. Humans modelled their technologies based on ancient ones.

Who knows maybe this 'satellite' dish belongs to some secret space program that humans run on the moon
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Old 03-31-2015, 12:50 PM
 
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What does everyone think about the rumors of ancient structures on the dark side of the moon? High ranking officials including a few that were involved with NASA have stated there are ancient structures littered across the back side of the moon. Its been reported that the structures are built on a MASSIVE scale some as much as 20 miles in height and several miles across. The strangest thing is that our moon is the only moon in the solar system where one side of the moon is never visible from the planet, almost is as if that was intentional. The evidence suggest that it was an ancient mining operation (maybe for Helium 3 which could be used as a great power source for earth.) A few NASA astronauts have said we were "warned off the moon" by an extraterrestrials which some say is the reason we never went back and why there is no plans to ever return. The focus has been on going to Mars.
Or, it's almost as if the laws of physics require it. Which, of course, they do.

Both moons of Mars are tidal-locked - ie, their respective rotational periods are exactly the same as their respective orbital periods, resulting in the same face always pointing towards their planet. The same is true of the eight innermost moons of Jupiter, including the four Galilean satellites. And of all seven of the large moons of Saturn. And of most moons of both Uranus and Neptune, as well as Charon, Pluto's only moon. Feel free to look it up.

Like I said, this is physics. It is precisely what is expected.

You don't exactly enhance your case with this demonstrably wrong claim and your lack of understanding of such a basic thing as tidal-locking.
Tidal locking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PS - "It's been reported"? Seriously? It's been reported that Elvis is working as a Circle K in Sarasota. It's been reported that the Earth is flat. Please...

PPS - Feel free to provide citations from those "few NASA astronauts" who were supposedly warned off the moon by ET and Marvin the Martian.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:18 AM
 
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"There is a Santa Clause." So there's something there.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:50 AM
 
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Fact: Human race is too young compared to the universe to have even a 1/100000 understanding of the cosmos and it's intricacies. While Science has learned a lot in the last 200 years about the universe, we cannot even begin to comprehend the bigger picture.

Our scientific laws might just be semi right or assumptions that we have. The more we learn, it feels like the less we know; the branches keep popping out everywhere. The tree of knowledge is an ever growing tree and we can't seem to be able to keep up with it.

What is out there is most likely bigger than anything we have ever known. The announcement of intelligent ET's entering our solar system or even coming to eart will create a lot of unrest among many. That is because a lot of humans have only known what they see in front of them or on the internet.

If many conspiracy theories were to become realities, I guarantee that there could be a meltdown of civilization and civil order as we know it.
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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If there was anything like that on the moon we would be going back all the time.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:26 PM
 
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If there was anything like that on the moon we would be going back all the time.
Maybe we do, who knows?
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Old 04-03-2015, 07:13 AM
 
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Fact: Human race is too young compared to the universe to have even a 1/100000 understanding of the cosmos and it's intricacies. While Science has learned a lot in the last 200 years about the universe, we cannot even begin to comprehend the bigger picture.

Our scientific laws might just be semi right or assumptions that we have. The more we learn, it feels like the less we know; the branches keep popping out everywhere. The tree of knowledge is an ever growing tree and we can't seem to be able to keep up with it.
Agreed with everything you wrote there. But next ...


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What is out there is most likely bigger than anything we have ever known. The announcement of intelligent ET's entering our solar system or even coming to eart will create a lot of unrest among many. That is because a lot of humans have only known what they see in front of them or on the internet.

If many conspiracy theories were to become realities, I guarantee that there could be a meltdown of civilization and civil order as we know it.
You lose me there entirely. I have never understood this argument. If we do someday get definitive proof of alien life visiting Earth, why would people freak out? Why would civilization "melt down?" I don't get that.

When European civilization confirmed that there were indeed lands to the west and that the world is round, civilization didn't collapse. They made better maps and sought new opportunities.

This argument is one of the major weak links in the whole "conspiracy" argument.
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