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"Magic trick?' How so? If they can do it, they can explain it if desired.
The initial statement was "how the hell could they even get here when the nearest star system is 4.3 light years away". You did not address that point, you just misdirected. Magic.
Exactly. And how the hell could they even get here when the nearest star system is 4.3 light years away.
It's the biggest obstacle for sure.
Those areas of space that we don't know are so far away that to travel to them in a timely manner would require breaking the laws of physics or technology that is improbable/doesn't exist no matter how advanced you are. Theoretical physicists can't make it work, let alone engineers in the real world.
Sometimes you get lucky and the theory is there, but the tech isn't. In this case, the theory and the tech are missing.
How could someone explain the ability to travel many light years? Misdirection...
It is not misdirection at all. Scientists already believe it is possible to bend the fabric of space so why not believe it is possible to move between closest points on that 'fabric'. That would give us a ability to move between different places in very little time or space. If there are aliens and if they are advanced of our technology, then it is very likely they have that technology or similar ways to move through what we see as space.
Of course, if you dont believe that our governments have space technology far greater than Orion rockets then we are going to have to spend a few centuries getting to this advanced technology. Hovever, if you believe that our governments have back engineered and obtained alien technology (and therefore some of the ufos are ours) then it is perfectly possible to do this space jumping and also time jumping probably too.
That messing about with time jumping brings other problems too which may not be very easy to solve. Like...changing stuff which has already happened and placing us on a different time track.
But, time jumps happen all the time as can be seen by people remembering and experiencing events around the phenomenon of "dead celebrities". There are other threads on here about those. It could explain people experiencing some time loss too.
Hovever, if you believe that our governments have back engineered and obtained alien technology (and therefore some of the ufos are ours) then it is perfectly possible to do this space jumping and also time jumping probably too.
WHAT? Back engineered from what?
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But, time jumps happen all the time as can be seen by people remembering and experiencing events around the phenomenon of "dead celebrities". There are other threads on here about those. It could explain people experiencing some time loss too.
No matter how much people wish to think otherwise the faults in peoples memories cannot enable them to travel to time travel. They may mistakenly think they have but that is not the same as actually doing it.
If I think about using this kind of technology, it comes with a certain amount of responsibility. Now... whether we are advanced enough to step up to the plate and accept and share it- is another matter. Anything developed would go under the official secrets or national security umbrella so it is obvious why we have not seen the technologies for public use.
The kind of technology probably includes space warping and maybe even time compressing/expanding too. As yet, we dont know the larger 'rules' which the universe works by, we have only found out the small ones which refer to our common technology and anything more advanced like that would have their own set of laws. I dont know if these laws allow changes in past history, but there is evidence to suggest a series of Earth time jumps or certainly leaps in technology in our recent past.
I and others feel that these technologies are advancing far quicker in the last 50 years or so than we humans could naturally develop ourselves.
If there were a civilisation in Antarctica, that maybe where the UFOs are coming from, or from undersea bases. Dont forget, our military has had a history of considering undersea bases.
There are quite a few reports of UFOs going into the sea, seen from land, and quite a few of them being seen travelling under the sea by people on boats too.
If I think about using this kind of technology, it comes with a certain amount of responsibility. Now... whether we are advanced enough to step up to the plate and accept and share it- is another matter. Anything developed would go under the official secrets or national security umbrella so it is obvious why we have not seen the technologies for public use.
The kind of technology probably includes space warping and maybe even time compressing/expanding too. As yet, we dont know the larger 'rules' which the universe works by, we have only found out the small ones which refer to our common technology and anything more advanced like that would have their own set of laws. I dont know if these laws allow changes in past history, but there is evidence to suggest a series of Earth time jumps or certainly leaps in technology in our recent past.
I and others feel that these technologies are advancing far quicker in the last 50 years or so than we humans could naturally develop ourselves.
If there were a civilisation in Antarctica, that maybe where the UFOs are coming from, or from undersea bases. Dont forget, our military has had a history of considering undersea bases.
There are quite a few reports of UFOs going into the sea, seen from land, and quite a few of them being seen travelling under the sea by people on boats too.
Of course it is conjecture and speculation. Thank you for saying that Old Guard because it makes me wonder at all the different folks I meet who cannot live with that.
When we announce something is speculation, we are obviously wanting more concrete proof of what they say is FACT, but the reality is, we often dont have fact as a scientist would like. Life is just not like that because we are human not automatrons. This expectation is setting ourselves up for failure all the time. In order to examine the unknown and to step outside the box which science loves, we have to let go of our safety rope of rules and procedures and walk into a mist of uncertainty. Anyone who loves science and its proof must have a terrible time dealing with that fear of uncertainty.
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The initial statement was "how the hell could they even get here when the nearest star system is 4.3 light years away". You did not address that point, you just misdirected. Magic.
I just don't understand what you are trying to say - you must have a different definition for "magic". IF they arrived from a very large distance, it would be by a more advanced science than our physicists know about - knowledge is not static, and presumably they would be much older or more intelligent than we are, and are farther along on the path. So they would be able to travel at FTL speeds and "get here".
We wouldn't know how, but if they chose to tell us then we also could understand it.
There are other possibilities even within current physics. The astronauts in a ship traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light would experience time contraction, so that the journey would seem much less than 4.3 years doubled. It might be possible within a lifetime.
Another possibility is that they could have sent a large, self-sufficient spaceship on a multigenerational journey.
Also they could have sent robots, which aren't concerned about food, water, or time .... they might be sophisticated enough to do research, and then "phone home". No hurry, just build some of them to send in all directions, and then the aliens could kick back at home to to sip some marrnyarr and enjoy the amenities of an advanced civilization.
There are also wormholes, which are impractical for travel at this time, but surely will be developed further.
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