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Old 08-27-2016, 06:08 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Thank you Vasily and Virgode. I think you have made my point that a case would be escalated at which time it would be documented.


As this happened more there would be more articles in medical journals and by now we would have something concrete. But we do not.
Frequency a big factor. How many traditional MDs are willing to risk their reputations on webmd for those couple of patients, thought to fit 'other'.

Now, if this were an MD you knew going in with holistic, pseudopsych or spiritual leanings, it might be accepted by a patients family. Presently only in research phases by the brave.
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Old 08-27-2016, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I think that Society often labels aberrant and horrific actions as "EVIL" and the religious sorts often associate it with Satan or EVIL Source. While I do believe there are many who possess many evil/ignorant traits..Religious often want to simply label it.

Horrific/Heinous Crimes against humanity has been around Long before ..Often these evil doings by perps claim some sort of Devine Validation..thus becomes religious actions.

Human Beings are frail life forms..and because of that..Many often use whatever rules of the times love to excuse or validate their evil-like behaviour as being "Just"..

I do happen to believe we all have some sort of "Soul" or energy that passes on..and get's recycled back to learn yet more lessons. For Religious folks we believe with each incarnation of the soul "LEARNS" ..but the World we live in is full of multi-leveled souls that are NOT equal..Thus conflict remains and escalate or declines depending on whatever boundaries that are inlace at the time of existence.

Many want to term this as "Wisdom" or some sort of ability to see beyond what's actually happening..Skeptics will always be around and want to claim such folks as delusional or Socialistic..why?? Because of lack of insight and assumptions based on biase/prejudice spread in that time.

SO simply..Evilness is a Label..and Yes there is Hateful people who have self-serving agenda's ..discounting anybody else..BUT From my reading of the Bible..It's actually written all about it..Some chose to mis-interpret the writings to suit their agenda..but that's based on trying to adopt the written word to an evolved human population..and it's ability to change and become more humane.

I view these Alt-Conservative people as un-evolved type..looking to devalue anyone who happens to have evolved and become more insightful..tolerant and accepting.. USA original Constitution was actually written by "Evolved" men and true to form..Un-evolved interpret it to suit their un-evolved agenda!

In my lifetime..I learned to recognize the various type that surrounded me everyday..and survived..by using my higher brain and instincts when to avoid, confront, stand my ground etc. In the end..recognizing human beings as being Good or Evil is a learned art form ..Some recognize it..some don't and fall victim to negative influences..ignorance is bliss until it bites back..and meanwhile INNOCENTS get maimed/assaulted/blamed/murdered ..and the outrage has become more and more apparent in my lifetime...

Maybe my response should have been in the Psychology section..But it fits the question of this thread under "Unexplained/Mysteries" ..For me..it's not such a mystery
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Old 08-27-2016, 08:32 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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I get how clinincians go about assessments.

You've completely ignorned what I posted.
In case I haven't been put on ignore, my apologies; I could've responded differently.

I don't post on topics without knowledge, research or personal experience. I do misspell, you may not think I'm the sharpest knife in the drawer.

The medical profession isn't comfortable 'yet' with whats proposed in your post. Thanks for taking time to respond.
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Old 08-28-2016, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Frequency a big factor. How many traditional MDs are willing to risk their reputations on webmd for those couple of patients, thought to fit 'other'.
I find it hard to believe that a few doctors would not have documented by now. The claim of possession has probably been around almost as long as people.


It predates modern medicine. There would have been a time that researching possession would not have been thought of as odd at all. The reason it is not researched by doctors today is because there is nothing to it.
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Now, if this were an MD you knew going in with holistic, pseudopsych or spiritual leanings, it might be accepted by a patients family. Presently only in research phases by the brave.
It seems to me that a lot of families are open to possession diagnosis. They have someone they love, who is acting in a way that is unfamiliar, wrong or "evil" and they wish to help them no matter what.


This is one of the tools that spiritualists use to milk desperate people out of money. I believe I read that spiritualists are a billion dollar industry. If not I am sure it is a lot of money.
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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This is one of the tools that spiritualists use to milk desperate people out of money. I believe I read that spiritualists are a billion dollar industry. If not I am sure it is a lot of money.
If you want to talk billion dollars business, look at diabetes and prescription meds and tv evangelists.
But this wouldn't be the thread for that.
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Old 08-28-2016, 11:57 PM
 
Location: PRC
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Whether or not the clinician feels there's evil present in such cases or an external force is an example of countertransference: the feelings that the client stirs up in the clinician. For example, I've found talking to some clients boring or irritating, and my supervisor pointed out to me when I was in training that this is of interest because chances are if I find the person irritating, he/she is having that effect on other people too. As a clinician, you learn to observe your own reactions to a client and use those reactions in your work with them. Reading your own subjective reactions as a sign that there's some objective external force at work in a client is unprofessional. They indicate that the client creates the impression FOR YOU that there's some external force present, or evil. There's no test for the presence of a demon or "evil" in someone -- at least not in psychology.
Many people believe (rightly or wrongly) that A - others reflect in you what you are projecting out, so you need to address these issues you see in others. Does that make sense? Anyway, what you say above makes some sense to me as if your client was making you feel bored or irritated, then that would be something you needed to look at... if the belief (A) was correct. I would suggest that the part I have highlighted is not THEIR problem but OUR OWN problem and we are making it THEIR problem by denying it in ourselves. Ideally, we should be able to get along with everyone and if we have done enough work on ourselves, then we will be able to. In practice this never happens because there is always more stuff you can uncover and work on in ourselves. Care to comment on that position?

Orthodox medicine does not recognize energy as being part of the natural make-up of the human body. If it did, then they would acknowledge acupuncture and other kinds of energy medicine.

However, if there is any energy associated with the human body, then it most certainly could have something to do with moods, behaviour and suchlike. Sad that orthodox medicine does not recognize something so (possibly) fundamental in the way the body works.
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Old 08-29-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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If you want to talk billion dollars business, look at diabetes and prescription meds and tv evangelists.
But this wouldn't be the thread for that.
virgode, I am trying to stay away from religion so I will not speak on televangelists.

As for Diabetes and prescription medicine, I would offer these as support of my point. These are generally well documented, there are case studies that back them up and even when they go into production and are distributed the documentation continues. If the medicine does not do what it is claimed to do or it causes other harm there is a clear trail of liability.

This is not the case for possessions or spiritualists who are generally not open and try to limit their liability.

Why the secrecy? Surely information would only help us as demons should surely know what we know or have pretty good estimate from observing and using their mystical powers.

As for the monies that pharmaceutical companies make that is a different topic.
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Old 08-29-2016, 07:41 AM
 
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Orthodox medicine does not recognize energy as being part of the natural make-up of the human body.
Say what?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-NA86aAMvY



Human body generates enough electricity to fuel an iPhone in 70 hours | Daily Mail Online


Will your body be the battery of the future? | ExtremeTech
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Old 08-29-2016, 08:14 AM
 
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As for the monies that pharmaceutical companies make that is a different topic.
More strawman debates? Too early, my coffee hasn't kicked in.
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Old 08-29-2016, 09:29 AM
 
Location: california
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I realize that I am only one voice among many, however I can tell you from personal experience that demons are real, and I have had several encounters with them.
Also ,living in an area that demons dwell, I have friend and acquaintances that have had very close encounters as well .

People allow the demons in their lives a number of ways , one of by direct invitation and amongst a group that practice such things , another is by practicing things that attract their attention continuously. another is by surrounding ones self with attractant and wearing it.
People are fooled by the idea they can manipulate the demon ,but what they do not understand is that the demon is giving the person inspiration and the person thinks it's their own ideas.
People that compulsively lie and are in denial are most easily manipulated by these evil spirits .
I digress ,
My encounters were of physical and spiritual manifestations , and though because they are beings with powers like ours of thought, and will, are not easily put under a microscope , so to speak , so the disbelieving community rest easily in their ignorance.
My parents bought property in Big Bear lake California, and that's where I grew up in my teens .
Their property included several little fisherman cabins and they gave me one for my own room .
one evening though entering the cabin I felt an evil presents I had never encountered before and opene the window and door and demanded it leave in the name of Jesus . and it left .
a few days later it had returned and I kicked it out again the same way and it never returned.
What I did not know then was where it went ,but just a few years ago I met some one that lived in the cabin across the street and they had some serious encounters that made them leave.
While they were in bed up stairs , the gas on the stove was turned on and lit ,which started warming up the house and there may have been a pan over it that he could smell something was getting hot and came downstairs and shut it off.
Apparently this happened frequently enough they were too afraid of staying in the house any longer, and moved out .

A co worker (non religious) on one of my jobs had worked cleaning cabins for a living and one particular cabin had a ghost that threw things at her and actually pushed her out of the house .she never came back to do that job.
Another coworker (atheist originally) in the same area after that cabin had been demolished an removed had been staying on that property for security living in his motor home .
While laying in bed at one end he heard the water come on in the kitchen sink , there is a pump that runs when pressure drops so you can't ignore it and it would empty the tank other wise. he got up and turned off . this happened over and over till he moved off the land.

These are but a few events among many ,but the fact of the matter is demons /spirits are real.

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