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08-20-2016, 06:03 PM
 Location: Greenville, SC 5,834 posts, read 4,536,707 times Reputation: 11115

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 Originally Posted by OpanaPointer Anybody ever calculate how many square AUs a Dyson sphere would have?
Jason Wright of Penn State says the object(s) are 1 to 5 AUs from the star. The formula for the surface area of a sphere is 4*Pi*r^2, so the surface area of a completely enclosing Dyson sphere at these distances would range from 12.6 AU^2 to 314.2 AU^2.

We ask Freeman Dyson about potential Dyson Sphere WTF 001 KIC 8462852

But a Dyson swarm or ring wouldn't be a completely closed sphere so the surface area would be substantially less. Here's another article on this interesting unexplained object:

http://www.science20.com/quantum_gra...dd_duck-158018

08-20-2016, 06:05 PM
 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow in "OZ " 24,151 posts, read 24,526,505 times Reputation: 31422
Could it be Wormwood

08-20-2016, 07:40 PM
 Location: St. Louis 3,287 posts, read 1,840,153 times Reputation: 2168
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 Originally Posted by Vasily Jason Wright of Penn State says the object(s) are 1 to 5 AUs from the star. The formula for the surface area of a sphere is 4*Pi*r^2, so the surface area of a completely enclosing Dyson sphere at these distances would range from 12.6 AU^2 to 314.2 AU^2.
Thanks. I'm mathgnostic
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 We ask Freeman Dyson about potential Dyson Sphere WTF 001 KIC 8462852 But a Dyson swarm or ring wouldn't be a completely closed sphere so the surface area would be substantially less. Here's another article on this interesting unexplained object: The Humps and Bumps of KIC 8462852 Dyson Sphere or Odd Duck?
Bookmarked.

08-22-2016, 11:59 AM
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My opinion is that even if it is really is an alien structure, it might get labeled as something else. All problems have more than one solution, or possible solution.

So if the phenomena can be explained by say, a dust field that the star is currently passing through, as well as an alien mega structure, what possible solution do you think mainstream science is going to go with?

08-22-2016, 12:28 PM
 Location: Greenville, SC 5,834 posts, read 4,536,707 times Reputation: 11115
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 Originally Posted by orionstars My opinion is that even if it is really is an alien structure, it might get labeled as something else. All problems have more than one solution, or possible solution. So if the phenomena can be explained by say, a dust field that the star is currently passing through, as well as an alien mega structure, what possible solution do you think mainstream science is going to go with?
Unfortunately, science is based on evidence, not on wishful thinking. When there's a thump on your roof on Christmas Eve, it could be Santa Claus landing with his six tiny reindeer or ice falling from the eaves. Until you actually look out you can't tell whether it's just ice or the Jolly Old Elf himself. And if you don't see the Jolly Old Elf, the logical conclusion is that it was ice. That's where research is at right now.

Invoking the bugbear of "mainstream science" is warrantless. Go back and read/watch the linked information provided earlier in this thread. It's "mainstream scientists" who are the ones calling for further research into this object, not Ancient Aliens Guy. They're not "labeling" it, they're investigating it with great interest. What else do you want them to do?

08-22-2016, 01:09 PM
 Location: St. Louis 3,287 posts, read 1,840,153 times Reputation: 2168
I chortle at "Mainstream Science". The scientist I've know would like nothing better than to find something that throws every other scientist for a loop. The tinfoilage is just a way to cover for the utter lack of rigorous thinking some people exhibit.

08-22-2016, 03:51 PM
 Location: Birmingham 11,787 posts, read 14,784,485 times Reputation: 10066
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 Originally Posted by OpanaPointer The 1400 years is time required for any electromagnetic spectra to travel to Earth, it's the speed of light. You won't get faster than that.
Unless they do have FTL.

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 Originally Posted by orionstars My opinion is that even if it is really is an alien structure, it might get labeled as something else. All problems have more than one solution, or possible solution. So if the phenomena can be explained by say, a dust field that the star is currently passing through, as well as an alien mega structure, what possible solution do you think mainstream science is going to go with?
Mainstream science would go with a dust cloud. The National Enquirer and the Daily Star would say Elvis and Tupac have pooled their resources from intergalactic record sales to build it.

08-22-2016, 04:00 PM
 Location: St. Louis 3,287 posts, read 1,840,153 times Reputation: 2168
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 Originally Posted by Tourian Unless they do have FTL.
Why would that matter to our observations?

08-22-2016, 06:30 PM
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 Originally Posted by Vasily Unfortunately, science is based on evidence, not on wishful thinking. When there's a thump on your roof on Christmas Eve, it could be Santa Claus landing with his six tiny reindeer or ice falling from the eaves. Until you actually look out you can't tell whether it's just ice or the Jolly Old Elf himself. And if you don't see the Jolly Old Elf, the logical conclusion is that it was ice. That's where research is at right now. Invoking the bugbear of "mainstream science" is warrantless. Go back and read/watch the linked information provided earlier in this thread. It's "mainstream scientists" who are the ones calling for further research into this object, not Ancient Aliens Guy. They're not "labeling" it, they're investigating it with great interest. What else do you want them to do?

Well, I wasn't saying otherwise :/. And I look forward to the research.

08-23-2016, 02:50 PM
 Location: Birmingham 11,787 posts, read 14,784,485 times Reputation: 10066
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 Originally Posted by OpanaPointer Why would that matter to our observations?
I didn't say that it would.
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