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Old 02-20-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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This is not concrete, it is a natural granite. And the stones are small and there is not a plane, and the height of several meters.
Oh, I doubt it is handmade. As the photo above (also granite) as in the previous photo was treated masonry.

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Old 02-20-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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In general, very interesting. When it is necessary, as there slaves with granite cobblestones Hollow tens and hundreds of thousands of tons, and when necessary, so the great engineers and super geeks.

Again.
In Egypt, about a hundred of pyramids, or thereabouts. Great smaller and technologically seven (I think so).
Riddle, do you?
And there is where the bottom of the pyramid-tech, highly manufacturable and the upper part of the primitive. How so?
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Old 02-20-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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This is not concrete, it is a natural granite. And the stones are small and there is not a plane, and the height of several meters.
Oh, I doubt it is handmade. As the photo above (also granite) as in the previous photo was treated masonry.
We already concluded most of the pyramids were constructed with softer stone limestone and mortar. That's is without argument.
Granite we already discussed - used in limited specialized area by specialized stone masons where the "fancy look" was required. Your picture shows where they fitted it together. Indeed in the block you couldn't fit a knife between the slots. Very impressive. Once again, difficult but not impossible with existing tools of the time - they were either cut from the same slab while quarried so that they were simply matched back up when put in place, or refinished by sanding it down so that it matched during construction. Likely a combination of both. Egypt used planes and plumbs to get exact vertical and horizontal fits.

So one thing is missing - what is your theory exactly? Use of hand phasers borrowed from Captain Kirk?
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Why lasers? Lasers are good at George Lucas 'Star Wars'
There used understandable tools, only a very, very technologically advanced.
That's like it was full of traces of bits for drilling in granite.
This is like in the photo.
Only a thin, much thinner than our technology can do, there is not just used iron, and high-strength alloys and composite diamond.
But there is a mysterious Mr. scratch made.
There granite treated on an industrial scale, many hundreds of tons.

to be continued.



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Old 02-20-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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Yet there used circular saws of different diameters, from 50 centimeters to 3.5 meters, and all three times thinner than modern counterparts of high-strength steels and the cutting edge of the diamond kromkoy.Almaznuyu thinner do not work.
But the builders of the pyramids was obtained, as evidenced by the numerous cuts in the rocks.
And all this on an industrial scale.

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Old 02-20-2017, 12:33 PM
 
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I honestly do not understand how it can be argued that it makes slaves of cobblestones.
Yes so evenly and neatly))
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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Why lasers? Lasers are good at George Lucas 'Star Wars'
There used understandable tools, only a very, very technologically advanced.
That's like it was full of traces of bits for drilling in granite.
This is like in the photo.
Only a thin, much thinner than our technology can do, there is not just used iron, and high-strength alloys and composite diamond.
But there is a mysterious Mr. scratch made.
There granite treated on an industrial scale, many hundreds of tons.

to be continued.


Core tubes into granite - these were done using "trepanning", ancient lathes, exact copper or iron (maybe diamond) tools, and lot of weight. Impressive stuff - Egyptologists don't know all the details. But, once again, difficult but not impossible.
These drill holes show signs of ancient machining and they are not without errors in drilling noted...the Egyptians weren't infallible.

I thought I read somewhere that Ancient Egypt maybe had access to some limited diamond tools. While doing a search for that I found this inactive legacy site explaining core drilling in ancient egypt, including an example where some workers in modern time drilled out a section of granite using a copper drill, a bow made from a tree branch, and sand as an abrasive. In 20 hours they drilled 6 cm...a couple inches...but multiply that once again by labor and weight against the "lathe":

Ancient Egyptian Stoneworking Tools and Methods: Copper coring drills
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Old 02-20-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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Core tubes into granite - these were done using "trepanning", ancient lathes, exact copper or iron (maybe diamond) tools, and lot of weight. Impressive stuff - Egyptologists don't know all the details. But, once again, difficult but not impossible.
These drill holes show signs of ancient machining and they are not without errors in drilling noted...the Egyptians weren't infallible.

I thought I read somewhere that Ancient Egypt maybe had access to some limited diamond tools. While doing a search for that I found this inactive legacy site explaining core drilling in ancient egypt, including an example where some workers in modern time drilled out a section of granite using a copper drill, a bow made from a tree branch, and sand as an abrasive. In 20 hours they drilled 6 cm...a couple inches...but multiply that once again by labor and weight against the "lathe":

Ancient Egyptian Stoneworking Tools and Methods: Copper coring drills
Of course, they were able to dig up a hole, one, I suppose spoiled meter copper tube removed 1 kilogram of material. Wow! It was taken out of granite and basalt sarcophagi hundreds of tons, that is, hundreds of thousands of kilograms.
Not too much for the slave system who did not know the iron?
And there you have photo of holes made by primitive copper tools? Thus, for comparison with the original.

For such volumes (version) requires a large turning shop and a good foundry))
But all is not to.Vy nikonga not make it a hole medyu.Dyrku dig up, yes, crooked, but smooth hole you do not get.
About diamond coated tools, well, funny same, especially if we take into account the extent of work done.
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Old 02-20-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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But a place to stay at the quarry excavated from the obelisk. Also handmade?
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Old 02-20-2017, 03:11 PM
 
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Not too much for the slave system who did not know the iron?
As was said earlier, skilled craftsmen and paid laborers were used for most of the building process. If slaves were used, they were used for the hard labor, not for design.

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And there you have photo of holes made by primitive copper tools? Thus, for comparison with the original.
If you'd read the Nova article I posted, you'd see that it's been demonstrated that copper tools plus wet sand as an abrasive can cut and shape granite.

"The weight of the copper saw rubs the sand crystals, which are as hard as granite, against the stone. A groove soon appears in the granite. It's clear that this technique works well and could have been used by the ancient Egyptians."

NOVA Online | Secrets of Lost Empires | Pharaoh's Obelisk | Cutting Granite with Sand
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