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Old 03-14-2018, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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That makes it very mysterious, I am sure the aliens pick up after themselves. A tiny hand chisel for building a mega structure like the pyramids is almost so that people can sleep better at night by lying to themselves.

If they had found massive stone cutting saw mills and other mega structures to dealing with these massive blocks then it would be a slam dunk. But its not as slam dunk as you make it sound.
Where is your proof of aliens? A handful of nothing is almost a story you tell yourself you you can sleep better at night?

Why do you think they need saws? You are just creating a strawman argument to suit what you wish to believe. Chisels have been proven to work and are still in use today, a day when we have conveniences that fly in the sky and have landed people on the moon.

There is evidence of not only the Egyptians using chisels but other cultures. Even this 86 year old man does it and has been doing it for life. Of course when you look at this remember this man is working with what looks like granite while your aliens mostly works in softer limestone:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-NsirLXUMk

Here is an article that may help:

https://www.livescience.com/32616-ho...ds-built-.html

Of course all of this was around 4,000 years ago and if the Aliens did it the Egyptians have gone to great lengths to cover it up because they have found quarries, wharf's, mines, camps, hieroglyphs and a lot of other things to make it look like Egyptians did this. Also it changed their economy and possibly their lives and destiny.

BTW, Can you tell me what you had for lunch 219 days ago?
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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Could these similar structures be just a coincidence? Both cultures attribute the design to a being who was taken into heaven and taught design, maths and sciences.
Yes, of course. Pyramids are one form of architecture that is doable with primitive technology; it's the easiest way to get height. The question is, what is the interior of the ones at Angkor like? There are two different ways to build them: by building a stone façade around a pile of rubble (Mayan, generally), or by starting with shaped stones from the get-go (the harder way). Looking at the completed product, you can't tell how they were built. So exterior similarity in appearance doesn't tell you anything.

In the case of the Maya, early antecedents have been found. They know that pyramids and raised palace complexes evolved from elite families building their thatch homes on a low stone or limestone platform, then over years or generations, adding a platform layer on top of that. From this process, a pyramid-like form developed. So because of this, they know that the structures didn't simply appear out of nowhere, after aliens landed, and decided to build monumental architecture. Archaeologically, you can see the initial stages in the oldest sites.

The "mysteries"-type shows bait the gullible by leaving out all the background information, all the archaeological work that's been done and has been documented. This point has been made on this forum before, when someone posts something from one of those shows.
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Old 03-17-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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Where is your proof of aliens? A handful of nothing is almost a story you tell yourself you you can sleep better at night?

Why do you think they need saws? You are just creating a strawman argument to suit what you wish to believe. Chisels have been proven to work and are still in use today, a day when we have conveniences that fly in the sky and have landed people on the moon.

There is evidence of not only the Egyptians using chisels but other cultures. Even this 86 year old man does it and has been doing it for life. Of course when you look at this remember this man is working with what looks like granite while your aliens mostly works in softer limestone:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-NsirLXUMk

Here is an article that may help:

https://www.livescience.com/32616-ho...ds-built-.html

Of course all of this was around 4,000 years ago and if the Aliens did it the Egyptians have gone to great lengths to cover it up because they have found quarries, wharf's, mines, camps, hieroglyphs and a lot of other things to make it look like Egyptians did this. Also it changed their economy and possibly their lives and destiny.

BTW, Can you tell me what you had for lunch 219 days ago?
Besides the construction methods used, what do you make of past civilizations that claim they had visitors from the stars (star people)?

Plenty of cave drawings and hieroglyhs depict 'star people' or people 'not of this world' that come down from the sky and assist the people with different things.
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Old 03-18-2018, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Besides the construction methods used, what do you make of past civilizations that claim they had visitors from the stars (star people)?
There are also plenty of legends surrounding the nature of the Milky Way, some of them quite ancient. That doesn't make them true. The Milky Way is our view of the body of the galaxy we're in - something we couldn't know until we had telescopes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way_(mythology)

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Plenty of cave drawings and hieroglyhs depict 'star people' or people 'not of this world' that come down from the sky and assist the people with different things.
Ancient astronaut "theorists" are looking at the drawings and hieroglyphs and reading their expectations into them. Descendants of the people who made the drawings and hieroglyphs are interpreting them through the lens of their knowledge of their mythology. If you believe X, you're going to interpret Y in the context of that belief.
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Old 03-21-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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There is NO evidence whatsoever that aliens, gods, or visitors from another realm built any of the great structures of the past. It is has been demonstrated time and time again that they can be built with the tools and equipment of the time. No "magic" is also needed to "transmit the knowledge" because the people involved are operating within the same laws of physics as everyone else. A pyramid, for example, is one of the most easy and stable stone structures to build. Eventually, any civilization in that period of technology will discover that (if they are inclined to build such things) and built pyramids. You don't need aliens or "thought transfer" or anything else.

Worse, not only are aliens and magic not needed, but no proof of their involvement has ever been offered; it's always groundless theories, such as "well, it could have been aliens." Yes, and - in theory - aliens might have delivered my mail today, but it's far more like it was just the mailman. To claim that the creation of such structures "must be done by aliens" because one personally does not know how to built a pyramid with the technology of the time is like denying calculus and claiming it is witchcraft because one doesn't understand it. And yet that is the "proof" so frequently offered, and it is absurd. While there may be things in this world that cannot be explained (at least not yet), the pyramids and other ancient structures are not one of them.
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Old 03-22-2018, 01:20 AM
 
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There is NO evidence whatsoever that aliens, gods, or visitors from another realm built any of the great structures of the past. It is has been demonstrated time and time again that they can be built with the tools and equipment of the time. No "magic" is also needed to "transmit the knowledge" because the people involved are operating within the same laws of physics as everyone else. A pyramid, for example, is one of the most easy and stable stone structures to build. Eventually, any civilization in that period of technology will discover that (if they are inclined to build such things) and built pyramids. You don't need aliens or "thought transfer" or anything else.

Worse, not only are aliens and magic not needed, but no proof of their involvement has ever been offered; it's always groundless theories, such as "well, it could have been aliens." Yes, and - in theory - aliens might have delivered my mail today, but it's far more like it was just the mailman. To claim that the creation of such structures "must be done by aliens" because one personally does not know how to built a pyramid with the technology of the time is like denying calculus and claiming it is witchcraft because one doesn't understand it. And yet that is the "proof" so frequently offered, and it is absurd. While there may be things in this world that cannot be explained (at least not yet), the pyramids and other ancient structures are not one of them.
Yet they never found the tools and structures that would be requied to actually do all of this work. IF you believe that giant pyramids with blocks weighing 20 tons can just be moved around without massive timbers.

How did they move the stones way up to the top of the pyramid? There would have to be massive scaffolding and other mechanical advantage tools, massive tools not a copper hammer. It should be there petrified in the desert, but there is nothing.
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Old 03-22-2018, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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... the earliest known theory was probably put forth by Herodotus when he possibly visited the Pyramids in 450 BC. He simply mentioned the use of ‘machines’ for achievement of leviathan engineering tasks, like the lifting of stones. These machines can be presumably associated with crane-like devices (more specifically the Egyptian shadouf). Almost three hundred years later, Diodorus of Sicily provided an arguably more comprehensive conjecture that talked about the use of mounds (or ramps). This theory basically entailed the scenario where (makeshift) ramps were raised alongside the pyramid, thus allowing the workers to access and the built the rising levels of the structure.

Now it should be noted that most historians and archaeologists tend to favor either of these two theories. But a fascinating new theory had surfaced in the academic world (by 2007), and it encompasses a scenario where an internal ramp system was utilized for building the top two-thirds of the Great Pyramid (while an external ramp was used for setting up the lower parts).
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Video illustrating the internal ramp theory:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=3NCK99mQUxw
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:43 AM
 
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Besides the construction methods used, what do you make of past civilizations that claim they had visitors from the stars (star people)?

Plenty of cave drawings and hieroglyhs depict 'star people' or people 'not of this world' that come down from the sky and assist the people with different things.
Obviously, those images are very open to individual interpretation. I've never heard this about any petroglyphs anywhere in the world, so... it sounds like another element of "proof" conjured by the "mystery" shows, or authors with an agenda.
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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Obviously, those images are very open to individual interpretation. I've never heard this about any petroglyphs anywhere in the world, so... it sounds like another element of "proof" conjured by the "mystery" shows, or authors with an agenda.
Ive brought up the Nuremberg 'woodcut' from the 1500s on other threads, if you dont know what that is, it was an event where the town saw big black spears (black triangles), circular balls, tubes, etc all battling each other in the sky one afternoon.

People today are reporting the same exact things, big black triangles, circular balls, tubular shaped craft, etc. Its likely the same things imo, but back then, they used things they were familiar with, or could relate to, like spears, to best describe what they were seeing.
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Old 03-22-2018, 11:28 AM
 
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Yet they never found the tools and structures that would be requied to actually do all of this work. IF you believe that giant pyramids with blocks weighing 20 tons can just be moved around without massive timbers.

How did they move the stones way up to the top of the pyramid? There would have to be massive scaffolding and other mechanical advantage tools, massive tools not a copper hammer. It should be there petrified in the desert, but there is nothing.
Why would they leave perfectly good stuff out there for us to find? Do you think we are the first people ever to say “Use it up, wear it out, make it do, do without”?

What ever they used to make the pyramids they took back with them, and used it, and used it, and repurposed things and when it got to a point, probably remelted and remade.
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