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Originally Posted by Old Guard
A pyramid is a primitive structure barely more advanced than a mound of dirt.
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Then you haven't studied pyramids.
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Originally Posted by Old Guard
You are trying to tell us that advanced civilizations invented flight, space travel and ways to visit earth without leaving behind any trace to give our primitive forefathers the gift of piles of rubble and dirt.
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If you're not willing to accept extra-terrestrial involvement, then you must accept the fact that an advanced civilization existed.
http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/saao/k...ncke_afo50.pdf
See pages 1 and 11.
It was well established within Assyrian and Babylonian scholarship that the older a tablet was, the more authority it was allotted. Ashurbanipal was therefore very proud of his ability to read "stone tablets from before the flood," which is really remarkable considering the change in cuneiform script over the millennia.
I read the artfully written texts in which the Sumerian version was obscure and the Akkadian version
for clarifying (too) difficult, l am enjoying the cuneiform wedges (sc. writing) on stone(s) from before the flood."
Assyrian and Babylonian "flood myths" are copied from the older Akkadian "flood myth" which copies from
the original "flood myth" by the Sumerians, and all date the "flood" to circa 12,000 BCE. Although scholars derisively translate the word as "flood", it actually means "deluge" and in fact, the Classical Biblical Hebrew word used is an Akkadian loan-word and is best or correctly translated as "deluge" instead of "flood". Those texts (but not the Hebrew text) describe the waters surging back and forth for several days, like a tsunami, as if an asteroid or comet struck in the southern Pacific Ocean, probably near or at the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet which mysteriously disappeared 14,000 years ago and only started to reform about 8,000 years ago, hence the age of the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet is only 8,000 years old and not. So we have Ashurbanipal referring to an ancient civilization that was advanced, since it had writing.
Which brings us to the Piri Re'is Map.
The Piri Re'is Map was in the possession of an admiral in the Ottoman Empire's navy around 1450, before Columbus sailed on his voyage. The Piri Re'is Map is noteworthy, because it correctly shows the Antarctic Continent in its proper place
and depicts mountains, rivers and lakes.
The Antarctic Continent was "rediscovered" by Russia in 1820. College and high school text books in the 1950s stated in no uncertain terms that the continent was devoid of any mountains, bodies of water or life, but "modern science" was dead wrong.
It wasn't until 1958 when what is now the US Geological Survey borrowed a ground radar used by field artillery for counter-battery fire and set it up on a glacier, firing down into the glacier, that mountains were imaged for the first time. It wasn't until the early 1990s, when several space shuttle missions went around the globe using ground-penetrating radar that rivers and lakes were discovered in Antarctica, and several years after that before life was discovered in those rivers and lakes.
From the time of the Romans until the Russians rediscovered Antarctica in 1820, no one knew about it. The Greeks, who came before the Romans, didn't know about it, either, and neither the Babylonians nor the Assyrians knew about it.
That means it was the Akkadians, the Sumerians who came before them, or an older civilization discovered Antarctica, then circumnavigated the continent and mapped it, correctly showing the mountains and rivers, and then drew it all on an azimuthal map, meaning they knew the Earth was a sphere and not a flat surface as everyone from the Greeks through the time of Columbus believed.
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Originally Posted by Dd714
Really this concept around pyramids, built in truly ancient times (not the 12th century) has been discussed many times before in this forum. Archeologists like to call these guys that proclaim some mystical or alien explanation to pyramids as - "pyramidiots".
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The Great Pyramid was originally encased in white Tura limestone (from the ancient city of Tura). It is easy to polish to an high gloss using water and any abrasive stone. At night with a Full Moon, the entire Gizeh Complex would have been visible glowing off on the distant horizon.
The interesting thing about Sneferu's Pyramid at Maidum, is that it is a step-pyramid that was later covered with layers of bricks to make it appear as an actual pyramid, and as archaeologists noted, the bricks had all been white-washed.
Why would Sneferu want the bricks covering the step-pyramid painted white?
Because he was attempting to emulate something
that already existed, namely, the Great Pyramid. If Sneferu is trying to copy something that already existed, then Khufu didn't build the Great Pyramid, since Sneferu was the father of Khufu.
But, then, we already knew that, since there is no evidence to support any claim that Khufu built the Great Pyramid. In fact, to the contrary, Khufu claimed he built a temple to Isis on the Pyramid Complex, and that he made repairs to the Great Pyramid, which is proof it already existed when he became pharaoh.
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Originally Posted by Mark S.
Sure. The Incas were a prehistoric culture (meaning they left no written records). So archaeologists are left to try to figure out things from what the Incas left behind. There are lots of gaps --- not only with the Incas, but with lots of prehistoric cultures. No doubt.
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Archeoastronomy is a method of dating solstitial buildings, usually temples. There are many equinoctal temples and buildings -- oriented to eastern horizon on the days of the equinox. But, solstitial temples are oriented to the Summer Solstice, which changes over time due to the movement of Earth's axial tilt.
Based on archeoastronomy, Machu Picchu is dated at either 10,150 BCE or 4,050 BCE, when Earth's obliquity to the Plane of the Ecliptic was 24°6'52.8" looking at the Summer Solstice (the Winter Solstice for all points in the Northern Hemisphere).
Regardless of the date you choose, it's highly unlikely the Incas were responsible for Machu Picchu.
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Originally Posted by pittsflyer
The other issue that is unsettling is that the tools required to build such super structures would have had to have been enormous, massive saws to cut the stone, levers all kinds of VERY large tools would have been required. Yet none have been discovered. Somehow these mega structures just exist with no remnents of how they were made.
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Good point.
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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
Obviously, those images are very open to individual interpretation. I've never heard this about any petroglyphs anywhere in the world, so... it sounds like another element of "proof" conjured by the "mystery" shows, or authors with an agenda.
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Then you haven't looked very hard.