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Old 09-24-2017, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast
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I wouldn't put someone who is a sociopath like Fish {evil} in the same category as someone who has something like bipolar disorder or depression. {Which I have seen mentioned in regards to Tierney.}


Big difference.
Evil is as evil does. How many serial killers blamed their depravity on their childhoods, mental illness, etc? It makes a good case for defense attorneys. Having depression or bipolar is not evil ... being abusive and commiting heinous acts is. Regardless of what else people may call it. Albert Fish with or without bipolar is still Albert Fish.

Anyway ... the information I read about GT may not have been accurate, so it wouldn't apply to her in that case.
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Old 09-24-2017, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Planet Woof
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Then there are the killers who have no evident depraved childhood behind them. No history of being an abuse victim. Come from a loving home, wonderful parents, sibs. Nothing mental or biological behind their evil personality development or behaviors. No traumatic life experiences to account for mental changes.
What about that? How to explain or reconcile how they developed into evil beings. Or in some cases became them overnight. Here I think we are talking ''possession'' and then you get into whether your thinking can support such a thing.
I believe there is such a thing and I believe that certain situations can set a person up for exposure to evil entities and open them up to influence.
What do you guys think?
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Old 09-25-2017, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast
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Then there are the killers who have no evident depraved childhood behind them. No history of being an abuse victim. Come from a loving home, wonderful parents, sibs. Nothing mental or biological behind their evil personality development or behaviors. No traumatic life experiences to account for mental changes.
What about that? How to explain or reconcile how they developed into evil beings. Or in some cases became them overnight. Here I think we are talking ''possession'' and then you get into whether your thinking can support such a thing.
I believe there is such a thing and I believe that certain situations can set a person up for exposure to evil entities and open them up to influence.
What do you guys think?
Yes, it's a very real thing, but American "science and psychology" deny such a thing exists, because to admit there are evil spirits and entities that possess people suggests that God and Satan are real, and they hate that. So they call it other things, instead. Cultures around the world know that possession is real, they see it manifested, we have heard firsthand accounts. It can occur whether one has been abused or not.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:14 AM
 
Location: bend oregon
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when i was hanging out with my step cousin a long time ago, something was weird about him and a couple months later he killed his mom
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Hollywood and Vine
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Gene Tierney?


What did she do, other than suffer from mental illness?
Agreed , she was actually my grandmothers and my mom's neighbor for a long while , so you can count her off that list .

Bette's daughter is unspeakable .
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Yes, it's a very real thing, but American "science and psychology" deny such a thing exists, because to admit there are evil spirits and entities that possess people suggests that God and Satan are real, and they hate that. So they call it other things, instead.
In general, you're not wrong, but it isn't as monolithic as all that. I know a licensed social worker and psychologist who very much believes in the supernatural --- though she is sensible about it. She doesn't blame every malady on demons.

And this ran on CNN not all that long ago:

A man of science confronts demonic possession - CNN
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast
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Agreed , she was actually my grandmothers and my mom's neighbor for a long while , so you can count her off that list .

Bette's daughter is unspeakable .
Why is BD unspeakable? Stories about Bette being notoriously difficult to get along with are legendary and well documented.

I will add that I like her, personally. She was beautiful, I love her movies, her voice. She seemed witty and no-nonsense. But a lot of people found her extremely offensive ... so abuse, histrionics and an extreme flair for overdramatics in her personal life does not seem entirely out of the realm of possibility. I imagine she was not easy to live with.

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Old 09-25-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast
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In general, you're not wrong, but it isn't as monolithic as all that. I know a licensed social worker and psychologist who very much believes in the supernatural --- though she is sensible about it. She doesn't blame every malady on demons.

And this ran on CNN not all that long ago:

A man of science confronts demonic possession - CNN
Thanks for sharing that! You're right ... not every malady can be attributed to it. There are specific things such as:

Complete personality shifts. Transitioning from cool, calm and collected to violent outbursts and homicidal rage without warning. Eye, facial and voice changes. Supernatural strength. Sadistic violence ... followed by calm. That's when you can be pretty sure it's more than a chemical imbalance or "the beer talking".

And no, it doesn't necessarily look like The Exorcist. It looks as everyday as John Wayne Gacy. John List. Gary Ridgeway. Dennis Rader. Son of Sam. Richard Ramirez. People who look normal, carry on regular lives, but they aren't who you think they are. Possession also looks like a lot of people who never kill. They abuse, they destroy things, some use black magic or voodoo to curse others ... who soon afterward meet a violent death. Being possessed just means they are a tool, a vessel, being used for evil and Satanic purposes.

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Old 09-25-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: NY>FL>VA>NC>IN
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That is a strong possibility in many instances. I did work with a few caregivers who confided that they detested caring for a family member who had been an abuser before they become ill. One old hateful man continued to rain holy terror in his household from a dialysis chair. Needless to say there weren't too many tears shed when he passed.
*insert scornful laugh* the victims became CAREgivers to their abusers?!?
OMFG. What effing fools.
F**k that. I wish I had been able to "pose" as caregiver had that sick twisted pig lived long enough. I would have fed her Drano while laughing and having a sandwich.
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Old 09-25-2017, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Hollywood and Vine
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Why is BD unspeakable? Stories about Bette being notoriously difficult to get along with are legendary and well documented.

I will add that I like her, personally. She was beautiful, I love her movies, her voice. She seemed witty and no-nonsense. But a lot of people found her extremely offensive ... so abuse, histrionics and an extreme flair for overdramatics in her personal life does not seem entirely out of the realm of possibility.
You do know Bette took care of her all of her life - even now , even though she swindles people on her religious show . She also uses religion to continue to bash her . I saw this myself on TV when I was just scrolling thru channels so I cannot quote everything . She cannot stop the bashing . Bette admitted they had not alot in common but tried to do her best even getting BD's son a part to get him started .

BD's first book nearly killed Bette it hurt so badly and she talked about it LOUDLY and alot and not with anger but disbelief . I heard her , anyone that watched her interviews heard her AND she was still subsidizing her living
Just like Christina, a new book comes out when they run low on cash .

My mom was meaner than all get out but I do not dwell on it daily or 30 years later continue to bash her on TV or use religion to do it . I am actually the one who takes care of her ashes no one else wanted .
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