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Old 09-27-2017, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Planet Woof
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If it's not a case of literal "possession" in some of these cases, how do you explain the observation that a rite of exorcism can "take it out of a person" immediately?
I mean "slam bam " the entity is gone and the owner of that body is back at the helm, so to speak.
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Old 09-27-2017, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast
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No one is given rites of Exorcism unless it is determined that they are indeed possessed. Even in those cases, sometimes "it" hides and comes back. Most modern science doesn't acknowledge the spiritual, prefering inoffensive terminology like "multiple personalities".

Ted Bundy was not evaluated by the church as far as I know. He wasn't possessed by a frothing at the mouth levitating devil. He was possessed with a perverted homicidal necrophiliac one. That guy was pure darkness.

People like Hitler are completely taken over in order to annihilate.

Not everyone believes in the spiritual side of things, but I do.

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Old 09-27-2017, 09:37 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I wonder what they were like as children ... and they're just the tip of the iceberg.

Kim Jong Un
Bernie Madoff
George Soros
Adolf Hitler
Hirohito
Pol Pot
Why, we were just discussing this very topic recently, in the History forum! Hitler was beaten regularly by his father, then turned around and expressed his anger over that toward his sister. Ex-neo-nazis in the US have confessed that they were bullied horribly as kids, or beaten by an abusive parent, and discovered Nazism as an outlet for their inner anger and frustrations.
//www.city-data.com/forum/histo...childhood.html
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast
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Why, we were just discussing this very topic recently, in the History forum! Hitler was beaten regularly by his father, then turned around and expressed his anger over that toward his sister. Ex-neo-nazis in the US have confessed that they were bullied horribly as kids, or beaten by an abusive parent, and discovered Nazism as an outlet for their inner anger and frustrations.
//www.city-data.com/forum/histo...childhood.html
My goodness, so horrible. He took it out on the rest of the world. There is a special punishment for people who hurt children. Oh, that we would keep that in mind.
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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Except a 17 year old isn't exactly a child - here is a list of 10 much younger children who were murderers, ages 8 through 14:

10 Youngest Murderers in History - Criminal Justice Degrees Guide

When you look into the backgrounds of children like this, you almost always find terrible and traumatic childhoods, with abuse and/or emotional and physical neglect - plus often a family history of psychopathy. Childhood trauma damages the developing brain -- and the earlier the trauma, the greater the damage. It is thought it can trigger a genetic disposition toward psychopathy. Autopsies have shown that the areas of the brain that govern emotions tend to be underdeveloped in people who have symptoms of psychopathy; childhood trauma is responsible for the damage, and the earlier the trauma the greater the damage.

It's important to remember that doing evil is not the same thing as being evil. Many of the children who do these things aren't capable of looking at their actions and seeing them as evil; they don't have the brain equipment to do so.

Here is a blog by a psychopath in which he talks about what it's like to be a psychopath, the inner experience of it.

Psychopathic Writings: Do Psychopaths Know They're Psychopaths?

Here is a fascinating article about a professor of psychiatry who came to understand that he is a psychopath (he also happens to be related to Lizzie Borden):

Scientist Related to Killers Learns He Has a Psychopath's Brain - ABC News
Thank you for this post. The article and blog are interesting and very informative. While I knew about the brain dysfunction of psychopaths, knew that abuse only made it worse, I still learned a few things I didn't know. I bookmarked the blog.

I think psychopathy and abuse accounts for many of these "evil" children.
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Old 09-27-2017, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The character of children, adults, and for that matter all humans, is dictated from the soul with in.

Bob.
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Old 09-28-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Seed_(1956_film)
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Old 09-28-2017, 09:14 AM
 
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I can't say for certain that I've known a bad seed. Suspected it? Perhaps. I will say that RAD is a very, very, very bad thing.
My adorable 9 year old adopted granddaughter has Reactive Attachment Disorder, she had a terrible abusive life with drug addicted parents. As a toddler, she had to roam the alleys asking strangers for food. All of the children were taken away and put in foster care.

We thought bringing her into our nice, healthy family would help, it hasn't. She is smart and as sweet as sugar on one side and will steal from you when your back is turned to bribe someone else with your things. She manipulates, lies, hurts others, hurts herself. She's a runner and an accuser. She has tried to poison the dogs. She'll threaten suicide and has been hospitalized for that. She's been through many psychiatrists, therapists and medications. She feels no guilt or shame. She will use her former life to get pity and attention from others. RAD is a lot about controlling others and being the center of attention, good or bad.

It's so so sad, we love her, but we can't let her ever go to a friend's house, who knows what she would do? She's becoming more of a danger to her siblings. She has a loud alarm on her bedroom door at night so her parents can respond quickly if she tries something. Police have been called to school to talk to her about stealing. They also came when she was 6 and climbed out the school bathroom window and ran away.

We are at the point now where we are looking to see if there are places that will take RAD kids. We're terrified that she will do something, burn down the house or hurt herself/siblings and then the other kids are taken away. It's a real fear. We are open to any ideas. As grandparents, we have offered to take her, but she still would be such a risk to everyone she is around.

She is the Bad Seed, just like the movie, freckled and cute in her pretty dress. My heart is broken because we do love her.
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast
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My adorable 9 year old adopted granddaughter has Reactive Attachment Disorder, she had a terrible abusive life with drug addicted parents. As a toddler, she had to roam the alleys asking strangers for food. All of the children were taken away and put in foster care.

We thought bringing her into our nice, healthy family would help, it hasn't. She is smart and as sweet as sugar on one side and will steal from you when your back is turned to bribe someone else with your things. She manipulates, lies, hurts others, hurts herself. She's a runner and an accuser. She has tried to poison the dogs. She'll threaten suicide and has been hospitalized for that. She's been through many psychiatrists, therapists and medications. She feels no guilt or shame. She will use her former life to get pity and attention from others. RAD is a lot about controlling others and being the center of attention, good or bad.

It's so so sad, we love her, but we can't let her ever go to a friend's house, who knows what she would do? She's becoming more of a danger to her siblings. She has a loud alarm on her bedroom door at night so her parents can respond quickly if she tries something. Police have been called to school to talk to her about stealing. They also came when she was 6 and climbed out the school bathroom window and ran away.

We are at the point now where we are looking to see if there are places that will take RAD kids. We're terrified that she will do something, burn down the house or hurt herself/siblings and then the other kids are taken away. It's a real fear. We are open to any ideas. As grandparents, we have offered to take her, but she still would be such a risk to everyone she is around.

She is the Bad Seed, just like the movie, freckled and cute in her pretty dress. My heart is broken because we do love her.
We nearly adopted a toddler (age 2 -1/2) who was already showing signs. She brought 6 months of pure insanity into our peaceful, loving home. There was no way I could go through with it. I've raised 5 wonderful children ... she was like nothing I'd ever seen before.
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Old 09-28-2017, 03:03 PM
 
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In one extended family situation, the "bad seed" child wasn't the problem. The psycho abusive mother was. The child did act out, but it was rational rebellion if you knew what was really going on. The mother would act like a very nice woman in public, but was a raging psycho, raging and chasing the children around and punishing for imagined infractions to the point of terrorizing. But people only saw the child acting out and the mother's angelic side, so everyone from "tough love" programs to other adults were sympathetic to her and all agreed that she had a bad seed child. The bad seed child grew into as healthy an adult as one can be under the circumstances, while the mother has degenerated into a bizarre and twisted shadow of a person, although casual observers often still say that she is "such a nice lady."
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