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Old 07-23-2018, 09:05 PM
 
Location: PRC
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I think of it more along the lines of the placebo effect where a sugar pill is given for an ailment, unknown to the patient that it is fake, and the patient is relieved of pain.
There are some placebo effects which are more powerful than current orthodox drugs, so whats the difference? It may well be that the mind can heal any disease if we find the right method of approach.

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Of course "reincarnation" does not exist,
No, of course not. How stupid of anyone at all to believe it does.

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It's imaginary and IF there is a psychiatrist, psychologist, or any other type of licensed therapist out there doing it, that person is a QUACK.
yeah, right. So whatever you do for a living, you are definitely NOT a fake, quack, or a con man - but others are in spite of their qualifications, intelligence, education, training, etc. Just because YOU dont believe it is true or of value, THAT makes them a quack.

Unfortunately, it is comments like these which make people question your 'authority' and how much we should take your comment as 'valuable' to be considered in the discussion.

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Others have posted how it probably isn't a good idea, and even submitted material to back that up. I'm curious though, what do you hope to gain from having a past life suggested to you?
From reading a few books on past life regression, it seems that people who have persistent loops of behaviour might often find the answer in a remembered event and that event is sometimes in a past life not in this one. An example might be a fear of water where you were drowned in a past life and this is a 'bleed-through' memory. Another might be claustrophobia.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:30 AM
 
Location: PRC
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I have been reading a book about regression into past lives "Many Lives Many Masters" by Brian Weiss. He was a normal psychiatrist who did NOT use hypnosis to go past birth and did not believe it was a valid method to use. This book is his discovery of a client's past life and how the event occurred in his practice.

I thought this was a relevant passage to do with reincarnation. Whether it is true or not, I have no idea but having read his credentials and experience, I think it may be.

Anyone who is Christian might be interested in the information.
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During the week I had reviewed my textbook from a comparative religions
course taken during my freshman year at Columbia. There were indeed
references to reincarnation in the Old and the New Testaments. In A.D. 325 the
Roman emperor Constantine the Great, along with his mother, Helena, had
deleted references to reincarnation contained in the New Testament. The
Second Council of Constantinople, meeting in A.D. 553, confirmed this action
and declared the concept of reincarnation a heresy. Apparently, they thought
this concept would weaken the growing power of the Church by giving humans
too much time to seek their salvation. Yet the original references had been
there; the early Church fathers had accepted the concept of reincarnation. The
early Gnostics—Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Saint Jerome, and many others
— believed that they had lived before and would again.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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Past Life Regression is as safe as Hypnotic Time Travel.

You always come back to where you started.

And the only damage that is done is to you wallet.
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Old 07-24-2018, 04:09 AM
 
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And the only damage that is done is to you wallet.
...and yet it can be done for free.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:56 AM
 
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And the only damage that is done is to you wallet.
Not necessarily. When you change something about a life, everything about that life that follows what you change is subject to change as well. Cause and effect.

Okay, so I do a past life regression and find out I am afraid of water because I drowned in a past life. That could explain why I'm fearful of water, but I'm still missing the benefit of knowing. What did I gain?

As long as we are being in this esoteric state, let's say it is written in my Book of Life that I will meet my true love on a lake in this life. Cause and effect - I may never visit that lake now, because my fear of water has been reinforced by the idea that I drowned in a past life. Even if I somehow eventually surpass my fear of water, the circumstances of this life has changed, and I may spend it lonely now. I exchange a fear of water for missing out on finding true love. If given a choice, I'd rather remain afraid of the water without a clue as to why, and experience the pre-determined true love in my Book of Life.

I would add that if things like a Book of Life and Library of Souls truly exist somewhere in the spiritual cosmos then chances are the Church is right in discouraging me from seeking knowledge of a past life as it could have a negative effect on what I am supposed to experience in this life - the here and now of my existence.


For reference on my source for Book of Life and the Library - writing about them in no way is statement of proof of their existence, or proof that they do not. I do not know.

https://exemplore.com/paranormal/Vie...om-Edgar-Cayce

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Old 07-24-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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ComeCloser, this is why I read as much as I can about the subject - to try and understand more...

There are many accounts of life-after-death experiences and between-life experiences and they all seem to me to describe the same kind of thing happening, which is a general what_I-need_to_learn_in_this_lifetime plan before we come in. Then, after we leave we have a review where we decide what we did not get done or did not learn in the classroom of life.

But.. you will have to do your own investigation if you are interested in convincing yourself. I mean, I reckon some of these investigators are seriously qualified people, scientists, medical doctors, etc.

Of course, there are bound to be liars and cheats who are very well qualified too but generally we tend to give these kind of people more credibility than those without so much 'authority'.
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Old 07-25-2018, 09:01 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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... Of course "reincarnation" does not exist...
Whenever someone begins talking/writing declarative sentences about matters they couldn't possibly know, my mind is immediately closed to their words. Opinions are not synonymous with fact. Reality (in our existence) is something that is provable through a repeatable process or a logical series of known facts which implies the hypothesis.

Being unable to prove something is not disproof. That being the case, I'm always careful to present my opinion as an opinion, not a fact. When you can prove to me that past lives (or future lives) do not exist the same way a mathematician can prove that a greatest prime number does not exist, I'll pay attention.

I do believe in "past lives," and, to an extent, I don't necessarily even believe what we are experiencing right now is reality in a "universal" sense. That's my opinion. I can't prove it so I won't use declarative sentences.

Past life regression has helped to explain some of my traits/interests/obsessions that have always baffled me and I had no idea where they came from. Now they make sense in that larger context. Again, I can't prove that. But I can't disprove it either.
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Old 07-25-2018, 11:36 PM
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Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Is this safe to do? If I went to a psychologist or someone who specialises in this, is it safe?
What in particular are you frightened of?
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Old 07-26-2018, 12:17 AM
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Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Whenever someone begins talking/writing declarative sentences about matters they couldn't possibly know, my mind is immediately closed to their words. Opinions are not synonymous with fact. Reality (in our existence) is something that is provable through a repeatable process or a logical series of known facts which implies the hypothesis.

Being unable to prove something is not disproof. That being the case, I'm always careful to present my opinion as an opinion, not a fact. When you can prove to me that past lives (or future lives) do not exist the same way a mathematician can prove that a greatest prime number does not exist, I'll pay attention.

I do believe in "past lives," and, to an extent, I don't necessarily even believe what we are experiencing right now is reality in a "universal" sense. That's my opinion. I can't prove it so I won't use declarative sentences.

Past life regression has helped to explain some of my traits/interests/obsessions that have always baffled me and I had no idea where they came from. Now they make sense in that larger context. Again, I can't prove that. But I can't disprove it either.
Yes! It's helped me, as well!

This past week, I visited the Lily Dale Assembly, in Cassadega, NY. Many of you know what this is, but for those who do not, it is the world's largest spiritualist center in the world. To live on the grounds, or to purchase a home there, one must be a Registered Medium, tested for ability, and a member in good standing of a Spiritualist Church. Many have advanced degrees in subjects such as social work or counseling psychology. These are not "Fortune Tellers". These people their know their stuff. https://lilydaleassembly.org/

I attended a workshop in past life regression and the development of mediumistic skills. We were all put in a light trance by the instructor/facilitator. He visited each student and worked individually with us.
At a certain time, he told each of us about one past life. For me, for my husband, and for others, he was dead on. (no pun intended)

In one of my lives, I was an orphan in 1700s England. I taught myself to read and write. I left the orphanage and set about teaching other orphans to read and write. I took in many orphans and helped them to transition into adult lives, to learn a skill or trade, and prevent them from living lives of crime or prostitution.

The BEST part of this session was when the facilitator asked each of this - "And how do you understand this in your current life?" This was "The Validation".

In my current life, I have worked as an adoption facilitator for children in Ukraine. I have hosted approximately 38 children in my home. I did this ten years ago when my children were younger.

One of my children is adopted.

Currently, a boy who I hosted when he was 9, is living with us. He was kicked out of his adopted parent's home and never finished HS. He just got his GED and is attending Community College in the Fall.

Additionally, I have always had an interest in orphans. For some reason, I read several novels about them as a child. I was also very interested in children who were placed on the Orphan Trains from eastern cities, and sent west to work on farms. Some were treated like family and others were exploited and were virtual slaves.

SO....for me, this was rather amazing and enlightening - things made sense for me.

There are several was of past life regression. Mine was a one day workshop. So, what the OP is referencing may be quite different.

It was NOT a frightening experience - and the best $10 I ever spent!

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Old 07-26-2018, 02:06 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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One has to assume you believe in the modern (not the eastern religious) concept of past lives, which in my opinion is a 20th century new age pop-culture concept originating from books and movies. But anyways....

From what I read "past life regression" is based on hypnosis. One must realize this is a tool used for suggestion, not regression. There is no proven link into the "subconscious mind". Basically what ever memories you have on past life will be due to this period of suggestion, either from suggestions from the person performing hypnosis themselves or from what you are exposed to in your daily life - movies, books, TV, etc. I always find it funny that those coming from the therapy don't remember themselves as the town drunk or the guy that shoveled horse poop from the street, but as a swashbuckling count or countess. So it's probably harmless fun, but otherwise useless.

Where it gets dangerous is if they try to introduce false memories to your current life, again based on suggestion under hypnosis. That's where some of these "hey my parents sexually abused me as a child and I blotted it from my mind" claims come from.
Past life regression by a legit practitioner doesn't involve suggestion. The practitioner, (often a psychologist) if properly trained, only tells the patient to go back to whenever the issue the patient came in to resolve first arose. It's the patients who choose what place and time in life (could be a choice among multiple past lives, if relevant) to regress to.

Past life regression in psychotherapy was discovered accidentally by a couple of psychologists working independently, who didn't know each other, when their patients suddenly regressed to a time and place the therapists didn't recognize. After having a few experiences of this nature with their patients, and eventually accepting that their patients' experiences were "real", seeing the tremendous healing that came about as a result, both these guys started teaching others how to get those results.

One of those psychologists is Brian Weiss, who's written a couple of books about his experiences. Another one is Michael Newton, who wrote "Journey of Souls" about his experiences with patients. If you're looking for a practitioner, check their webpage to see where they got their training. If Weiss or Newton is listed as a source of training, that's one sign the practitioner has learned a legit method, one that doesn't utilize suggestion of past lives.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062201239/ref=rdr_ext_tmb
https://www.amazon.com/Many-Lives-Ma...an+weiss+books

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